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Very interesting coin. A 1860/54-S
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Actually, Tim, I just thought the same thing when I looked at the 6. It has some metal along the top that could be the top of a 5.
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Sorry, messed that up. There was no 54-S. the last coin with the 4 in the last digit place was either the 1844-O, or the 1844-P.
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Well, very interesting. I am surprised that no one else said this, It is a fake! The SF Mints first year for the half was 1855 and there is no SF mint half dollar with the mintmark in that position. How many reeds are there. What is the weight?
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Yes it could very well be a fake, but remember the SF mint was looking for dies so they could have used a 1854 obverse die, removed the date and repunched the 1860 date on the die while using a reverse die from a previous year
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Do you have a better picture of the obverse, and the whole date? I don't know much about these, but NGC says only two die pairs are known. I looked through about 20 on Heritage and the date doesn't match any. Top of 1 seems too flat, loops inside the 8, top of the 6 has such a distinctly round knob not seen on any HA examples, and the space between 8 and 6. I'm not saying it's fake, but a counterfeiter would also polish off the date before punching another one.  |
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If counterfeit it would likely not be to fool a collector but to circulate. Perhaps the op can provide the weight and give it a ring test since there would not be a reason for a counterfeit to be made from .900 silver. The reverse lettering seems suspicious also.
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09/28/2020 12:40 am
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If this is a fake, it's extremely interesting. I'd imagine it'd garner the attention of both counterfeit collectors and non counterfeit collectors alike.
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Huh, maybe it's this contemporary counterfeit. http://www.lsccweb.org/cfhalves/1860s_101page.htm"Date clearly shows an 0 over 4 overdate considering the specimen's lower grade." The discrepancies in the date I mentioned above seem to match up, as well as the reverse mentioned by @jimbucks. It's supposed to be "white metal alloy", which would make sense. |
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Wow...nice work kbbpll!! Where did you even find this info?
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smat45 - I searched for "1860 half dollar counterfeit". I had found that site before, when I finally realized my 1861 dime was also a contemporary counterfeit. @yontan, you might consider contacting the LSCC - they'd probably be interested in doing an article on it. Your example seems to be in much better condition than the one in the above link.
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OK. My problem is solved. The weight is 12.3, well within tolerance, but the reeding is not quite right, and has two sets of slash imperfections that wouldn't happen on a regular coin. I matched it with an 1862 and the color is paler, almost yellowy. Finally, the ring test. It clunked, but never rang. The 1862 rang clearly each time. Finally, that picture of the same coin counterfeit was the deal breaker. Mine is a duplicate. Fortunately I only paid $30.00 for it, so no big loss. I have a growing number of half dollar counterfeits, so this will be added. Thank you all for your thoughts and information. Bill.
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kbbpll, I will contact them. Thanks again.
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09/29/2020 05:24 am
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