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Medallic Art CO Theodore Roosevelt President Silver Medal From Process Set

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 Posted 10/20/2020  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list

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I also am not seeing this photo, perhaps it is where it is saved? A similar thing happened to one of Jbuck's posts recently: It was saved in a gallery.


It is in a gallery http://www.coincommunity.org/galler...p?album=2029

I tried to wrap my head around the medal being correct shape with rims and excess outer metal. A broadstrike would not have the rims at all. So broadstrike or broadstruck may not be the issue here. Commems, I bet you have something there being part of a process set but whatever it is, it is unusual. "Process Set" is new info for me.

So there's still time for me to edit the thread title and 1st post with an add on. I'll leave it as is then add for educational purposes.

Intentional, probably (if part of a process set) but still the only one I have ever seen.


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Your shot of the reverse side appears to be somewhat oval compared
to the circular obverse.


Very observant! It's photography, both sides same shape I am sure. Better images are coming.


Overstruck? I doubt it, however there is a couple extra metal clumps near the rim that throw me off.
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 Posted 10/20/2020  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
One other thing, I will weigh this. If it is significantly heavier than it is supposed to be, then it is definately NOT a broadstrike. I have found other Medallic Art Co "Process Set" items just now but they all seem to have a lot less excess outer metal than this one.

I really think Commems nailed this. Thank you!
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 Posted 10/20/2020  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
People are having issues seeing my CCF gallery photos as well. It could be that the CCF Gallery site (coincommunity.org) is not secure (HTTP) and some browsers may block mixed content (HTTPS and HTTP on one page). So, check your browser settings and set an exclusion for coincommunity.org.
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 Posted 10/20/2020  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
You got it right Commems

I have found that no doubt, I have 1 part of a "process set"
Here is a link to an 8 pc set that is from the same President Series minted by Medallic Art Co but in bronze.
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...m-mint-state

In the case that this disappears I am crediting these two photos below to Stack's Bowers Galleries STACKSBOWERS.COM

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 Posted 10/20/2020  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I have found that no doubt, I have 1 part of a "process set"
Impressive.

Sounds like you need to rebuild the full set.
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 Posted 10/20/2020  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
It looks to be either 3rd or 4th strike.


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Sounds like you need to rebuild the full set.



I imagine that would be quite near impossible but maybe someday the other 7 will come up for sale but missing this one.
I bet the other 7 are scattered all over the place.
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 Posted 10/20/2020  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list

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You got it right Commems

Happy to contribute!


Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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 Posted 10/20/2020  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I imagine that would be quite near impossible but maybe someday the other 7 will come up for sale but missing this one.
I bet the other 7 are scattered all over the place.
If I were betting on a man to find them, I would bet on you.
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 Posted 10/25/2020  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDarryl to your friends list
I made this video a few years back of a set in my collection.

An official Hawaii Statehood Medal Progression Set by Medallic Art Co.

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 Posted 10/25/2020  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
Thanks DrDarryl! Nice video.
I wonder about the edge lettering.
I also wonder if ALL the medals for distribution are made this way. I kind of doubt it.

Are they all struck several times and trimmed? Or is this just for progression or process sets?
Coins are not made this way. They are struck within a collar that has any lettered edge or reeding right on the collar die itself.
The Roosevelt item I show here obviously does not have edge lettering, but "normal" ones do show silver 999 and others also have Medallic Art Co. on the edge.
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 Posted 10/25/2020  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list
I thought folks might enjoy this documentary from about 90 years ago about how high-relief medals are made.

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 Posted 10/25/2020  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list

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Are they all struck several times and trimmed? Or is this just for progression or process sets?
Coins are not made this way. They are struck within a collar that has any lettered edge or reeding right on the collar die itself.

Most high-relief medals require being struck multiple times in order to fully bring up their design. The process set demonstrates how more and more of the detail is brought up with each strike. With modern presses and planchet preparation techniques, it's possible that fewer strikes are needed, but multiple strikes are still the norm.

Traditionally, many high-relief medals were struck without a collar and required trimming (not just those for process sets). Some were, however, struck with a collar; the collar eliminated the need for the trimming step.

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 Posted 10/25/2020  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
I think I watched the entire movie without blinking once. I was going to play it in the background while doing something here in the man cave but oh no, once it started, I was glued fast. That was awesome.
When the four sculptors presented that finished medal I was thinking to myself, "Those guys know how much went into the finished medal" and didn't the narrator mention the very same point a few seconds later.

Thanks for posting that and thanks for the follow-up comment.
I have a considerably better appreciation for our medals. Especially those with great detail and high relief.
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 Posted 11/04/2020  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
Found another link on "Process sets"
http://www.coins-n-medals.com/Exhib...cessSet.html
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 Posted 11/05/2020  06:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list
Some good info (video as well as link) in the past few posts.
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