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Counterfeit Mexico 1841 8 Reales ?

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 Posted 11/06/2020  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MasterKromm to your friends list
@ swamperbob, my original thought was to sell it on ebay if it was legit and if not keep it. That said, I wouldn't mind selling it to you, though I have no idea what kind of price a forgery commands. I am open to any offer you believe is fair/reasonable since I don't even have a clue how to value a forgery.

Thanks again for all the insight!

Respectfully, James

PS: Do you have an email address that would allow me to message you directly?

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 Posted 11/07/2020  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
Yes, my contact information:

Telephone (910) 425-1224
Email swamperbob22@aol.com
Snail mail Robert Gurney
Swamperbob Associates
PO Box 435
Hope Mills, NC 28348
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 Posted 11/08/2020  08:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list
@MasterKromm

I would be happy to buy this one as a legit piece at a legit price!

Please send me a message or contact me with your price.

Here is my contact: filip.stankov@gmail.com
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 Posted 11/08/2020  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
coinworldtv The coin has only one overlap so it is NOT genuine. Why would you think it is genuine? The sale or re-sale of this coin as a genuine 1841 Go is Fraud.

I want to get an XRF test just to be 1000% positive - I don't need that because of the single lap - but would you even believe that?

Science is always better than opinion.
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 Posted 11/09/2020  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list
Bob, as you know, the overlaps on the Cap & Rays can sometimes be rather hard to distinguish...

A few other 1841-Go pieces with peripheral metal flow issues:
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...pj-NGC-ms-62

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...-184131-gopj

https://coins.ha.com/itm/mexico/wor...ption-071515
(reverse only)

And this 1840:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/mexico/wor...ption-071515

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 Posted 11/09/2020  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
realeswatcher I agree that edge designs can sometimes be difficult to see.

However, here the fact that one overlap is not only clear but also shows at least three layers of lap is just about impossible to explain when contrasted with the very clean view of an uninterrupted edge design exactly opposite.

I readily admit that the erosion does appear on some genuine coins. However, I have seen too many proven forgeries with that trait to let it pass without comment. The most obvious forgeries have well developed curved flow lines which look like swirls.

Once I see the coin I will test it for density - which I presume will be correct. And I will try to get to Raleigh to have it tested with XRF.

These forgeries are dangerous - they likely already have been graded in some cases. I am cautioning vigilance.
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 Posted 01/19/2021  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list
Has there been any updates to the status of this coin?

Also is the basic design of the edge accurate? (discounting the overlap issue).

I spent quite a bit of time trying to find a good photograph of a genuine Cap and Rays edge design but I keep ending up with these discussions about counterfeits.
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 Posted 01/20/2021  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
jgenn I have yet to see the coin so I can not give an update.
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 Posted 11/30/2021  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list
Trying to figure out what this is, and if it is worth keeping, or should I send it back. Paid $25.50

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Better photos now that I am home from work. Weighs 26.5 grams
Pings like 40% or 50% omce I did some comparisons with some Canadian dollars I had handy... very similar.


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 Posted 12/01/2021  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
windweaver77 The coin you have is a relatively common normally white metal counterfeit. Nice condition for the type and at the price you paid a very good buy.

I own 12 examples of this type and my average purchase price was $29 over a period from 2000 to 2015. Yours is generally superior to the examples I have and only one of mine grades higher.

There are two main varieties one is Coin axis and the other medal. I own 6 of each type. I have one example struck in copper and several with cancellations and tests consistent with contemporary circulation. The style of the eagle has parallels with other CCC types.

If you are not interested in counterfeits let me know.
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 Posted 12/01/2021  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list
So it is a contemporary fake? That's pretty cool. About when you think it was made?

It is non-magnetic whatever it is. It sounds like 40% or 50% silver on a ping. But I have no idea what white metal sounds like.

It's pretty cool if it is contemporary I'll probably keep it. If not I'll get a refund.

Thanks for the reply Swamper Bob. I wish I knew how to quote in this forum.

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 Posted 12/01/2021  07:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list
Alignment is coin btw.
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 Posted 12/01/2021  07:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list
I am just guessing here.

Contemporary
Counterfeit
Coinage

On that CCC, sorry about the silly question above if that is the case.
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 Posted 12/01/2021  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list

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 Posted 01/27/2023  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rownak19 to your friends list
I got my one from an Indonesian collector. Weight :26.4 grams

Its pretty cool if it is contemporary I'll keep it.

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