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Beginner 'Ancient Type Set'- Your Opinions?

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 Posted 01/28/2021  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
@ag, I agree that this is a neat idea. One thought that I have is rather than expanding outward to ever more minor dynasties, consider starting to go deeper in just one or two areas. For example, you might discover that you really enjoy all of the intrigue and court politics of Imperial Rome that comes with collecting different emperors. Or perhaps, you dig deeper into the hammered coinage of England. In the end, there is no "wrong" answer and collecting what you like is a very personal opinion. I hope that you will keep us updated as you progress in your collection.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
A nice introductory example set of ancient World coins.

Could also include Bosporus and Cappodocia early post Roman coins of Europe, early Burmese coins, coins of the Indian Magahda Murayan and Kidarite kingdoms, the Chola Kings of Ceylon.

Combined with other suggestions for inclusion, the set of coins pictured could well double in size. Need lots of research before extending into these areas.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list
I have had this same notion for quite some time, but it never got organized properly. I am thinking of one for every major dynasty/ kingdom/ empire, which would be more than yours which are on a much broader scale. Lacking a precise definition of any of these terms, how about enough coins so that 90% (or some other %) the population could have handled them?(for those that used coins).
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 Posted 01/28/2021  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Check Victor's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Victor to your friends list
I would have to include something Ostrogth or Vandal


Beginner-'Ancient-Type-Set'--Your-Opinions?

OSTROGOTHS. A.D. 493- 553. 20 Nummi or Half Follis (23x24mm 6.5gm) Municipal issue. Rome mint. INVICTA ROMA, helmeted and draped bust of Roma right. REV: Palm tree; to left and right, eagle standing outward, heads facing inward; in ex. •XX•. COI 83 (Athalaric); MEC 110.

Ex Numismatik Naumann, Auktion 69 (2 September 2018) lot 453; Numismatica Ars Classica 93 (24 May 2016), lot 1119; Numismatica Ars Classica Autumn 1995, lot 711.



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VANDALS.
Municipal coinage of Carthage.
Circa 480-533
Æ 42 Nummi (27mm 12.7g ). Class 1. Carthago standing facing, crowned with corn wreath and holding three grain ears in each raised hand; N X LII, above; all within laurel wreath with large central jewel. MEC 34-38; BMC Vandals 3.
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I would have to include something Ostrogth or Vandal
I considered this, and it's a good idea, but it's also very much in "don't come cheap" territory; IIRC even the barely legible examples get three-digit prices.

(This also applies to most of the rest of "early post-Roman coins of Europe", with the caveat that many of the others are gold and consequently even rarer.)

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Could also include Bosporus and Cappodocia early post Roman coins of Europe, early Burmese coins, coins of the Indian Magahda Murayan and Kidarite kingdoms, the Chola Kings of Ceylon.
...To be honest, if we start subdividing India at the same level as how we're subdividing Europe (which isn't that bad of an idea, admittedly), we'd end up with at least a dozen entries just from India alone.
I definitely agree about the Burmese coins, however; they're a thing unto itself. Rare, though.

I was mostly thinking of Bosporus as Greek. In some cases the line between "Greek" and "Roman provincial" is murky; Bosporus might be one.
I don't recall enough about Cappadocia to understand why it would require singling out. I've done a general assessment of many of the para-Greek and para-Roman states in this thread; IIRC most of them only have a handful of known coins total.
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 Posted 01/29/2021  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list
What a neat compilation of ancient coins. Very impressive.

Some good ideas about additions too in the thread.
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 Posted 01/29/2021  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list
I remember more than 10 years ago there was a founding member of the Louisville Coin Club from 1945 when it started and he said to me he always wanted a set of coins from each year but it was too much work to be sure of the years of ancient coins. That would be something if you could document and be sure of each coin and you have the whole planet to choose from. Modern coins you can get creative and really vary where they were from and really ancient you have to be lucky with a known event to be sure of the date. Always wondered if anyone ever tried that.
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and really ancient you have to be lucky with a known event to be sure of the date. Always wondered if anyone ever tried that.
For the most part (there are some Roman exceptions, IIRC, particularly among the Republican denarii) known ancient coin dates at the year level are the ones that are explicitly written on the coin.

It turns out that the 1st century BC, 1st century AD, and 2nd century AD are fairly well covered; in fact an OFEY set from around that range is one of my long-term projects for if I ever end up earning lots of money.
2nd century BC and 3rd century AD are harder. 4th and 5th centuries AD appear to be full of gaps where no coin can be dated to a particular year.

There are known date sets for particular types (one guy assembled a date set of Tyre shekels for the lifetime of Jesus, for example), and of course @Collects82 is doing their '82 set, but I'm not aware of outright OFEY sets otherwise. But I should've guessed that I wasn't the first to think that way.
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 Posted 01/29/2021  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list

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I'm not aware of outright OFEY sets otherwise


@pep, @tdz, and I have at least partial OFEY collections.
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 Posted 01/29/2021  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list
I think I'd have a beginner get more Greek and Roman initially.

Maybe fill out the tray with just Greek and Roman before looking elsewhere.
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 Posted 01/29/2021  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ag47 to your friends list
@louisvillekyshop I did make a set like that, however not every year, but for every century! here it is: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/go...tury.372117/
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 Posted 01/29/2021  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
One from every century is great @ag47--well done!
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 Posted 01/29/2021  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list
I like the century idea as well.

You could tell a lot of world history with one coin per century from around the world.
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 Posted 01/30/2021  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list
This is a super thread for collectors like me who have been afraid to dip their toes into the ancients.

Thanks to the OP and all contributors!
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 Posted 01/30/2021  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numiscrat to your friends list
Exactly what tzediemia said!

Bookmark worthy, for sure. Thanks!
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