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1954 S Lincoln Wheat Cent RPM? S Is Touching The 9

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 Posted 12/26/2008  05:50 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
I do like how the top right of the S is "reaching out" to the 9. Cool pics!
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 Posted 12/26/2008  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
I don't see a repunched mintmark here. It is also not uncommon for the mintmark to be very close to the date.
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 Posted 12/26/2008  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
I don't set the close to devices ones aside. I look for the varieties instead.

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 Posted 12/26/2008  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jazzcoins to your friends list
This is considered an error the mint mark should not be touching the date. I don;t think it's considered a misplaced mint mark though, but not a normal placement for the MM these can bring a nice premium

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 Posted 12/26/2008  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rockdude to your friends list
I don't see the MM anywhere close to touching the 9, did I get different pics. here or what? I really don't think it's an error, probably a variety though.
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 Posted 12/26/2008  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
It's neither an error nor a variety, nor is it worth a premium value. The mintmark placement is in a position that would be acceptable by mint standards.
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 Posted 12/26/2008  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 909records to your friends list
sorry rock dude it's the 5 not the 9
thanks for the info everbody
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 Posted 12/26/2008  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Podoprigora to your friends list
do you crop the picture on the camera first or after you uploaded it to the computer? thank you
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 Posted 12/26/2008  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 909records to your friends list
no I take it with a dino lite microscope
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 Posted 12/26/2008  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jorgy to your friends list
Mintmarks that are almost touching the numbers in date are not all that uncommon.

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 Posted 12/28/2008  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdbooth to your friends list
According to Alan Herbert this would be considered a "Displaced Mintmark" if you consider the date to be a design element.

In section II-C-16 of his book Price Guide to Mint Errors: He describes a displaced mintmark as "A mintmark letter""which was cut, punched, or hubbed into the die far enough out of the normal position so that it is touching some other part of the design on the struck coin."

I am just not sure if he included the date as "some other part of the design."

In the one example he showed a D/D repunched mintmark on a five cent piece where the first D was touching the E in FIVE. So perhaps this is a displaced mintmark.

John Booth

Oh and he gives this a rarity level of 4-5 with and added value of $5 - $10.
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12/28/2008 6:51 pm
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Okay, then. I will come up with a hundred of them and prepare them to send off to the first offer over $250 postpaid. That's half of their published value, right? They are common enough I should be able to do it with current supplies in less than a week. Any takers?
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 Posted 12/28/2008  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jazzcoins to your friends list
I have to agree with jdbooth I also read that these are considered a displaced MM and do fetch a premium. would say its an error. I have searched many cent rolls maybe found two in hundreds of Wheat cent rolls. I would think the date is another part of the design element seperate entity from the other elements such as the MM.

HERE'S THE CONECA DEFINITION FOR DISPLACED mm (THE COIN THAT WAS STRUCK FROM A DIE IN WHICH THE MINT MARK WAS POSITION FAR ENOUGH OUT OF PLACE TO BE TOUCHING A DESIGN ELEMENT.)

COPPERCOINS I'm PRETTY SURE THEY WOULD MAYBE SELL FOR A FEW BUCKS ON ebay

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So they are displaced mintmarks. No arguement here. I do argue that they aren't worth anything more than any other coin of the date and mint unless there's some other reason for the value, such as a doubled die, repunched mintmark, or an error of some sort.

Also you might find that the term 'displaced mintmark' generally refers to mintmark doubling in which the secondary mintmark is completely removed from the primary mintmark and touch another design element. They do not include mintmarks that are punched within the tolarated area that happen to touch a device.

Anyhow, my offer is open and on the table. I will begin putting a couple of rolls of 'displaced mintmarks' together this evening, and should have them done by the end of the week.
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 Posted 12/28/2008  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdbooth to your friends list
I personally don't think I would buy one of these, only because I like the thrill of finding one in a roll search. The only coins I buy are the ones I cannot find such as anything prior to 1920 (usually.)

That reminds me...I thought I would mention...I finally filled the holes in my small cent collection with the exception of the grand daddy of them all...the 1856 Flying Eagle. I am saving for it though. Wish me luck!

John Booth
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