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Could They Be Real Silver?

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 Posted 05/03/2021  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
I know the tissue test.
Genuine silver reflects white or bright under the tissue.
Not sure about the results when a coin is toned or tarnished.
It's likely none of these coins would pass the Ice Test.
I have doubts about the OP saying they pass the Coin Slide Test.
Suggests to me the OP doesn't have the right slide or knows how to use it.
On the other hand, it's possible the alloy could contain enough metal to mimic the drag on the coin.
Copper would do that.
If I had these in my shop, just to satisfy the owner, I'd check SG.
And from that, there would be no doubt if any are silver or not.
Usually these fakes are anywhere from 10 to 20% under weight.
They will normally NOT be Diamagnetic.
A quick look under the scope, with weights & measures would probably tell the OP of the blunder.
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 Posted 05/03/2021  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list
No flea market seller would sell genuine silver coins of this size for just $5.
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 Posted 05/03/2021  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
Speaking of greed I have a story.
In one case I paid over $100 for a Chinese coin because I didn't think the seller really knew what he had.
This seller is reliable, honest and has a good reputation.
He simply maybe didn't know the coin and I bought it.
It was fake.
In another case a different seller showed me two Chinese coins and offered to give them to me as freebies.
I told the seller they looked genuine to me and I'd buy them.
The seller didn't know Chinese coins and didn't care about them.
I argued they were worth good money, but he refused payment.
I finally talked him into taking at least $1.00 each for the two coins.
The two coins proved to be genuine worth about $110.00 each at the time.
So my greed in one case was a learning experience, offset by my good fortune in another.
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 Posted 05/03/2021  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNWType to your friends list
I must admit it is cool seeing all of the varied designs together. I can't place several of them, so I have some homework to do to figure out what genuine coins they are replicating

Unfortunately, as mentioned, for a plethora of reasons these are base metal counterfeits
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 Posted 05/03/2021  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
These are all found and documented in my collection.
I might take the time to enhance the pictures and report back later.
Or maybe just some selected coins.
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 Posted 05/03/2021  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
I'll begin with the Fat Man Dollar, number 2 coin in the top row because that's the first easy pick.
It looks like the numeral 6 in the legend.
A 7 character legend would be years 8, 9 or 10. A numeral for year 6 would not be on a genuine coin.
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 Posted 05/03/2021  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
I might see another quick blunder.
The OP should post one coin at a time with good focus.
A lower right piece looks like Shansi Province under Kuang Hsu.
Shansi did not mint any silver coins during Kuang Hsu.
So an obvious fake near the start and near the end suggests none are genuine.
They are still nice conversation pieces. The OP just paid 5X too much for them.
There's always a chance one may be genuine, but I doubt it.

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 Posted 05/03/2021  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
If you already own them, do a check comparative ping tone test against a known genuine example.

If they don't ring true, you have your proof that you are in a position to get your money back. If that doesn't happen, report the seller. You have your proof to legally denigrate their reputation.

My attitude is a little different to most collectors. If not genuine, I would demand a refund of $3 per coin, and start an self educative 'black' collection with them.
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 Posted 05/03/2021  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
Odds are the OP will not have a known genuine to compare.
Some coins will "ping" giving the OP false info.
One coin I have will ping, but the difference is that the duration is shorter compared to a genuine.
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Some of them are more like fantasy pieces, so I would pass these no matter what, unless I like to the way it was design, but again I wouldn't pay more than a buck the most.
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 Posted 05/04/2021  12:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
Has anyone noticed that one of these has "Ta Ching Gold Coin" as the inner legend, so if genuine it would be a $200,000.00 or $2,000,000.00 coin.
And the OP thinks it could be silver?
And the selling price was $5.00?
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 Posted 05/04/2021  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list
Think the OP is trolling us.

Look at the amount of replies gotten for obvious fakes and OP's name.
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 Posted 05/04/2021  12:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
The OP is trolling us?
Could be true.
Probably so with such an abundance of fakes.
However, others do see & read.
If the OP would post one coin at a time, with quality pictures, I'd respond with what's right & wrong about each.
Doesn't bother me- I have time.

Added note about Shansi Province: There was a 20 cent piece made during Hsuan Tung about 1909, 10 or 1911. So having Shansi as pictured, as the size of a dollar coin is also an indicator of being fake.
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 Posted 05/04/2021  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
I see what looks to be a Japanese Yen about 1894. I'm familiar with these as I have several.
None contain elemental silver, so if the OP thinks it's genuine because it passed the slide test, maybe a collector or dealer would buy his $5.00 coin for about $20.00 or $30.00
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