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Bedrock of the Community
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I like it. Great back story. Id say MS62.
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MS62 for me as well. That is the problem with some of these older holders, the inserts remain active for a long time. The Paramount holders seem to be some of the worst.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Grade aside, wicked-looking coin!
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I'll stay at 61. Put it in a black ringed Airtite. I have a few I'm not using you can have no charge - PM me if interested
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I adjusted the photos (by eliminating color. reducing light, and sharpening contrast) to see the obverse surface better. There are quite a few contact marks in the fields. That said, there is heavy frost underneath the toning. I agree, it's in the MS-61 or MS-62 neighborhood.
If you decide to remove it from the holder, take several pics of the coin in the holder first, and keep the holder. That would help preserve historical provenance.
Looking at the obverse surfaces, two places where the toning looks like it may be more than superficial are between the second and third left stars and between the top of the cap and "US" of PLURIBUS,
Toning is progressive, and my concern is that even in a different holder or capsule, it will progress. Given the underlying frost and generally superficial toning, is this a candidate for conservation? The value likely wouldn't justify stand-alone conservation, but if you could run it through conservation with other coins, it might be justifiable. Thoughts?
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Certainly is hard to judge grade not only from a mere photo but also trying to get my eyes to look through the toning. I like the golden and copper colors in the hair above the forehead and the tinge of blue on the curls at the bottom. The hair above the ear leads me to believe this is nicely struck but those bagmarks on the cheek prevent me from going any higher than MS61. My true gut feeling is MS60. When I look at the reverse I see numerous distracting marks in the fields. I believe too numerous to merit a higher grade that 61. Hey FortCollins, if you read this please give your opinion of a post about a 1913 T1 Buffalo on another thread. I look forward to reading your critique of that coin.
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Toning may be interesting enough to warrant a premium for this coin. It's developing some nice rainbow colors on the obverse and I love coins that are toned on just one side.
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the 91(S) are typically sharp so this one is AVG for the year. I'm not a fan of the blotchy toning. some folks are. my problem with this one is that it probably is not going to age well imo. without the toning i'd say MS63. I need to drop it at least a full grade for blotchy surfaces. MS62
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Yes I think it would be a candidate for conservation as I would like to prevent further deterioration. PCGS has a restoration process and while not cheap, it's not so high as to be prohibitive, at least on a one time basis. I really do like this coin and am not thinking so much of final grade they may give it or value as I am of just preserving it as much as possible. The PCGS literature states one of the most common problems they deal with is removal of toning. But not in such a way as to destroy any natural attractive toning. That sounds to me like they can safely do it and not ruin the coin. I would hope to have them put it in a PCGS slab with some sort of Redfield attribution.
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I would hope to have them put it in a PCGS slab with some sort of Redfield attribution.
If you submit the coin in its original Paramount holder, I believe you have the choice either to have it stickered in the original holder or cracked and attributed in the TPG slab. Give them a call to verify this before submission. Redfields do carry a collector premium in shows, but I personally haven't seen much difference in price between Paramount holders and TPG slabbed attributed coins. Others may want to weigh in on this. |
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Thanks, I had sent this off to PCGS on Thursday 6 May and asked for PCGS holder with Redfield attribution. Put this in the additional comments section. Turn around is 4-6 weeks.
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Back from PCGS restoration/grading. Trueview is all I have as coin not back in hand yet. Think I liked the way it looked previously. Wanted it restored though just to try preventing further toning. Grade was not the object but guess if was done as part of normal processing. Care to compare your own grade to PCGS and/or the grade here you gave it earlier?  |
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