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1900-P Indian Head - MS-66 / MS-66+, Or?

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 Posted 05/20/2021  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list
UNC Details Recolored. That shade of orange is unnatural.

Edit: You asked why to the previous respondent. Compare the color of your coin to the color of mine below.

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1900-P-Indian-Head---MS-66-/-MS-66+,-Or?
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 Posted 05/20/2021  01:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNWType to your friends list
I can't speak to the color, even if the photos were true to life I wouldnt know any better

Grade wise, I would put this at a 65 RB. However, looking at PCGS examples like you say, I can see how you would think this is a 66 or better. Purely going on how I have learned to grade coins though, I sit at 65
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 Posted 05/20/2021  03:44 am  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list

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UNC Details Recolored. That shade of orange is unnatural.

Edit: You asked why to the previous respondent. Compare the color of your coin to the color of mine below.

I wouldn't give too much credence to color without seeing it in hand. Photographic techniques, photo editing, image processing software and just the screen you are viewing this thread on are affecting the color for better or worse.
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 Posted 05/20/2021  05:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list
Grape is right.
Its screaming out "cleaned".

Most of you guys dont know how to grade.
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 Posted 05/20/2021  07:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Echidna -- I wonder how our grading abilities would hold up if each of us were able to view the coin in-hand, vs static digital imagery? Spruett001 (above) makes a good point.
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 Posted 05/20/2021  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add A-Penny-Sold to your friends list
I definitely don't know how to grade, that's why I asked. Trying to figure out why this one is cleaned so I can spot it in other ones.
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Trying to figure out why this one is cleaned so I can spot it in other ones.


Sure!

A lot is experience for one, if you were to actually see what a full red, or even a choice red-brown Indian cent looks like in hand the difference between your coin and those coins would be very apparent.

That shade or redish orange does not naturally occur on IHC.
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 Posted 05/20/2021  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add A-Penny-Sold to your friends list
Yeah, I can definitely see the color difference between OP's coin, and the one you posted. I think I'm going to go bug some LCS to see slabbed reds/red browns in person. I want to but some Buffalo nickels anyway
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 Posted 05/20/2021  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
I say MS65+ RD. Anything higher than that and I would need to see the coin in-hand.
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 Posted 05/20/2021  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list
I'm in the questionable color camp. It could be the pictures, but even from the pictures and knowing it was dark, color is still off in my opinion and light just isn't hitting right. I think it might get details grade.
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 Posted 05/21/2021  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RedRaider to your friends list
Good luck if you try to submit it....on full Red IHCs, I am seeing more "questionable color" than I ever have.
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 Posted 05/21/2021  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
So, are you going to submit it or not?
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 Posted 05/24/2021  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon Brand to your friends list
Artificial color. Does not look right.
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 Posted 05/24/2021  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
First,

I paused on the mark that is immediately NW of the point of the bust. I enhanced your photo by increasing light, stripping color, and sharpening contrast (below). I wonder if it might get detailed with a 94 code (altered surfaces), if this is seen as an attempt to reduce or cover the scratch. Thoughts?

Here's the enhanced closeup:

1900-P-Indian-Head---MS-66-/-MS-66+,-Or?
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 Posted 05/24/2021  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Very observant, seen this sort of issue before. Verdigris removal?
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