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1900-P Indian Head - MS66 / MS66+, Or?

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 Posted 05/09/2021  09:50 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rwkiii to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I've been looking at PCGS Top Pop for a 1900-P Indian Head. Though I don't think I have a contender to replace it, I do think this one is much better than 64/65.

I see MS67RD on PCGS with quite a few scrapes on high spots. It also appears that the strike on mine is more crisp.

Without going to PCGS I quick-guessed this one as a good 64+. After seeing 66 and 67 images on PCGS I'm starting to think mine would grade into 66.

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 Posted 05/09/2021  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
66RB would not surprise me, but it would need strong luster.



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 Posted 05/09/2021  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While maybe too many, I'd say the photos are great. I'd see MS66 as attainable.
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 Posted 05/09/2021  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 05/09/2021  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Only one way to find out!
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 Posted 05/09/2021  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could go 66. I'm in at 65 though.
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 Posted 05/09/2021  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this one could go either (65 or 66) based on the photos...MS66RB
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 Posted 05/09/2021  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coin! Hard to judge from just pictures. Really needs to be assessed first had under proper lighting. We know that grades of 69 and 70 weren't attainable during that era. 67 and 68 would have to be exceptional and I think full red color in my opinion. I am thinking more like 65 RB from what I see here which is still a very respectable grade. I don't give out 65 much as I try to be conservative but this looks like it fits the bill.
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 Posted 05/10/2021  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On second look it doesn't look quite right.
Gut feeling says its cleaned.
UNC details.
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 Posted 05/20/2021  01:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add A-Penny-Sold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What makes you think it's cleaned?
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 Posted 05/20/2021  01:17 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
UNC Details Recolored. That shade of orange is unnatural.

Edit: You asked why to the previous respondent. Compare the color of your coin to the color of mine below.



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 Posted 05/20/2021  01:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNWType to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't speak to the color, even if the photos were true to life I wouldnt know any better

Grade wise, I would put this at a 65 RB. However, looking at PCGS examples like you say, I can see how you would think this is a 66 or better. Purely going on how I have learned to grade coins though, I sit at 65
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 Posted 05/20/2021  03:44 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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UNC Details Recolored. That shade of orange is unnatural.

Edit: You asked why to the previous respondent. Compare the color of your coin to the color of mine below.

I wouldn't give too much credence to color without seeing it in hand. Photographic techniques, photo editing, image processing software and just the screen you are viewing this thread on are affecting the color for better or worse.
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 Posted 05/20/2021  05:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Grape is right.
Its screaming out "cleaned".

Most of you guys dont know how to grade.
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 Posted 05/20/2021  07:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Echidna -- I wonder how our grading abilities would hold up if each of us were able to view the coin in-hand, vs static digital imagery? Spruett001 (above) makes a good point.
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 Posted 05/20/2021  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add A-Penny-Sold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I definitely don't know how to grade, that's why I asked. Trying to figure out why this one is cleaned so I can spot it in other ones.
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