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1910 Lincoln Cent, For Grading

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 Posted 06/04/2021  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Not sure about the proof but it looks to have seen circulation.

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 Posted 06/04/2021  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list

I'm 50-50 here.

There was only one set of proof dies for the 1910 Lincoln. I see 7 of the 8 obverse markers and 4 of the 7 reverse markers. The coin clearly has been circulated. That would explain the lack of the evident matte finish and less than full wire rim. I believe this was struck from the proof dies. The question is whether it was struck as a proof or was a business strike from the former proof dies.

I know the idea of business strikes from the proof dies is disputed (hotly). That certainly occurred in other series. I simply do not know if it happened here.

One obverse marker that may be a clue is the angled die gouge above the "N" of IN. That is a later die stage marker. If the proof dies were used for circulation strikes, one would expect that gouge to exist.

It's worth submitting it. IMHO, it's either PR-53 or AU-53.
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 Posted 06/04/2021  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
And there you go folks , a total unknown .
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 Posted 06/04/2021  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KYCopperCoins to your friends list
Fortcollins, you truly are an asset to this forum, and the members here, thank you.
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 Posted 06/04/2021  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Please keep us informed if you submit it! I'm betting against a PR grade, but would love to know. Good luck!
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 Posted 06/04/2021  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KYCopperCoins to your friends list
Having it in hand, it 100 percent exhibits matte proof luster, like I said, when I purchased it I didn't own any, having 5 in my possession at this point that are slabbed PR by PCGS, I spotted it immediately while going through my coins... but as always, gotta see what PCGS says.
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 Posted 06/04/2021  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Good luck on this!
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Yes , we are not saying your dead wrong ,but just giving our opinions on what we feel it is . Hoping your correct .
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 Posted 06/05/2021  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
fortcollins I was always under the impression there were two die sets used to strike the 1910 Lincoln proofs?

Kevin Flynn book lists two obverses and two reverse while Leonard Albrecht's booklet lists two obverses and one reverse for 1910 Matte Proofs

Len lists 2405 minted and Flynn says 4083 minted

My thoughts are this is an impaired or mishandled proof that will grade probably around PR53 or PR55

Hope you send it in and report back to us, I'm really interested in what PCGS says.
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 Posted 06/05/2021  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
@westcoin, That's the big debate on the 1910 proofs. I've only seen one die pair for the unquestioned proofs. I've heard lots of theories over the years, but the 1910 is definitely an enigma. There are several possibilities:
Only one pair struck all proof coins
Only one pair struck all proof coins, but die polishing between strikings gave the impression of two die pairs
Multiple proof die pairs existed, but only one struck coins intended to be proofs. The other pair/pairs were used as business strike dies, and the early business strikes from those dies emulated proofs.
The official proofs were struck early, then the proof dies were used for business strikes. Demand necessitated additional proof strikes later in the year, and a second die pair was unofficially created to meet the demand.
This was also the era of mint officials "doing favors" for certain dealers and collectors. (The 1913 Liberty nickels and 1921 Morgan proofs are obvious examples.) Privately arranged proofs absolutely can't be ruled out.

And on and on. There definitely seem to be far more early Lincoln proofs than official mintage figures would suggest. In short, nothing can be ruled out for this era.

That said, I personally only see one die pair for 1910. This coin seems to match the markers on that die pair. Beyond that, it's the wild wild west coin era.
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 Posted 06/05/2021  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
I tend to go with my old friend Len Albrecht on them with 2 obverse dies he only lists one reverse. I haven't talked to him in ages, I saw him last I think at a Long Beach show or maybe it was at a TNA show.

I grew up going to his shop he had with partner Chuck Wishon in Aurora Colorado "Collector's Exchange." in fact I just stumbled across some coins I have from them still in their original holders, all mint set, single coins still in the mint plastic but cut down to fit into the flips, so no PVC on them! Most look incredible and the prices marked are to die for!

I'd love to sit down with Len again and pick his brain, see if he has newer thoughts on the Lincoln Matte proofs today. He really knew his stuff back then in the late 1980's so I imagine he is only smarter today, since he stayed in the business.
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Did you ever send this coin to PCGS or have it verified that it is indeed a proof coin?

As to the question of how many reverse dies there are for the proof coins for 1910:
Copper Coins has a proof variety listed. https://coppercoins.com/lincoln/die...ie_state=eds

Wouldn't this mean there had to be at least two reverse dies?




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good to see you back fortcollins we really missed you knowledge and experience
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panzaldi, That is an old post from fortcollins he last made a post on July 10, 2022 I miss him around here a lot! He had great insight on many US series coins, especially Buffalo nickels. I sure hope he is well! If you read this fortcollinns - we all miss you - come back!
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