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Thoughts On This 1921 Morgan

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 Posted 07/03/2021  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list
It looks like whoever did it was trying to mimic a "sandblasted antique" finish found on 1921 Peace dollar specimens, but I think it looks pretty cool!
They get an A for effort!
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 Posted 07/03/2021  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Question for Stephan-P, are the two coins pictured the same size (width)? Your photos may be introducing the 'illusion' that one coin is smaller than the other.
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 Posted 07/03/2021  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list
ijn1944 Yeah, fits snug as a bug in the same case.


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 Posted 07/03/2021  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
The denticles are off on the coin. The reverse has the 21 features of larger stars, flat breast, straight arrow and looks like a 21 except for the denticles. On the obverse the face features look off for a 21. Can you get a close up of the date and the denticles in the same photo?
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 Posted 07/03/2021  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
It does look a bit off, but can't give any specific diagnostic that would point to counterfeit. Definitely altered surfaces on a common date. As long as it's silver, it would pretty much carry the same small premium whether it's genuine or a decent counterfeit, IMO
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 Posted 07/03/2021  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
Looks like someones grandmother owned it and cleaned it with the silver flatware..
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 Posted 07/03/2021  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
Well, it looks like a fake to me, 99% sure it is. Is it even silver, has a look of pewter or pot metal. I'd get rid of it, it looks evil.
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 Posted 07/03/2021  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
It looks real to me. Hard to imitate that reeded edge mark driven into the cheek. It looks like it was chemically blackened/tarnished, maybe with a reduced sulfur compound. Then the high points and the fields were burnished. It creates the dramatic look of a counterfeit.

It's worth melt.
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 Posted 07/03/2021  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
What is the thickness? Can you post a photo of the rim/reeding? It's certainly a low value piece either way.
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 Posted 07/04/2021  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list
Thq - that's exactly what I needed to throw this sucker back into the wild! (for melt value of course) I go through a lot of coins with the occasional counterfeit, and knew this one was real but it's good for me to know how it came to be, or if anyone had seen something similar.
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 Posted 07/04/2021  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list
BH1964 - thank you for your comment. The rim/reeding seemed to be okay, but I'll post a pic when I get back home!
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 Posted 07/04/2021  06:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list
Here's some reeds and denticles next to another choice BU 1921. I WANT to just say it's normal, but something about the strike is keeping me interested.


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 Posted 07/04/2021  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list
It might have been prepared for a piece of jewelry or something ornamental, but a coins gotta be buffed to oblivion to remove any die-cracks, and would certainly diminish the devices, not elevate them.
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 Posted 07/04/2021  06:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list
The neck for example is especially dense, where a normal 1921 tends to sink into the fields.
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 Posted 07/05/2021  01:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
The date looks off to me at first glance. After studying the coin, the only thing worth mentioning is how mushy "In God We Trust" is. Probably the result of wear. Last set of photos helps with direct comparison. Reeding looks great, and that is where counterfeiters can fall short.
But, if the weight, dimentions, and sound is correct, what can I say? I will have to conclude that it has been altered, but is a genuine coin.
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