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How Would You Grade This Half? (1806)

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 Posted 11/13/2021  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add radars_teddy to your friends list
The one thing about this coin, and maybe I will take a video of it later, is that is has more luster than I had ever seen in a silver circulated coin.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  10:54 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
Definitely a weak strike on the left side of the coin, but a lot of sharpness in the hair and elsewhere. I'd say XF-40 with attractive surfaces.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
No images here, just tiny squares.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list

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I'd say XF-40 with attractive surfaces.


My first write up I had EF40 but the look at the larger images changed my mind.


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The one thing about this coin, and maybe I will take a video of it later, is that is has more luster than I had ever seen in a silver circulated coin.


It does look like luster is present, but there really should not be any original luster left at EF40. Wonder if it was cleaned and retoned for any appearance of luster to be remaining (false luster)?

This coin is an enigma to me.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
XF-40 with a weak strike. Nice looking coin. These draped bust coins seem to have luster even at lower grades. I was initially thinking VF-35, but there isn't a lot of rub on this coin.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list
Guessing XF-40 nice one
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 Posted 11/13/2021  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
I'm in the XF40 club
Neat coin
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 Posted 11/13/2021  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list
I am worried about the lines under the date, they seem clean and the rest of the coin has a 200 year old tone. The date seems overstamped or added. The strike is very weak especially on the Reverse.

Grading in my opinion - Fine to goodFine, I have no idea why anyone would say XF or even VF, I think its American overgrading again.

Basically I am not 100% convinced its genuine - but then again my knowledge of very old American coins is limited.
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 Posted 11/13/2021  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
I am certain this coin is genuine. The absence of toning below the date is pullaway toning, not unusual in early bust halves. This is an Overton-125 variety, and apparently the strike weakness on the reverse is fairly common in this variety. Here's an O-125 that sold at Heritage several years ago that was graded XF-40 by NGC, with similar weakness on the reverse.

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 Posted 11/14/2021  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
Zurie is correct, I came to post about pullaway toning earlier, but got side tracked with the hockey game. This is a common look to coins of this era especially, also seen often on Morgan dollars.

I'm sticking with my VF grade but I'm going up a little to VF30 now after seeing the really large images.
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 Posted 11/14/2021  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add radars_teddy to your friends list
No images here, just tiny squares.>>>


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I am just looking at some opinions on pull away toning and while it seems that most people with some experience in this matter believe that the reduction in toning about the raised devices, especially the lettering, in old silver US coins is a sign of natural toning, they don't seem to all agree on the nomenclature. Some, at least, feel that pull away toning refers to a matted sort of toning that happens to coins like Morgans that sat in bags and the toning flakes off in the bag. While this toning is a result of a condition with a light sulfur environment where the metal flow about devices prove to resist the light toning. But I can't find any primary research on the topic.
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 Posted 11/14/2021  05:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add radars_teddy to your friends list
http://www.mrbrklyn.com/images/coin....r5_slab.png

it graded as a vf30 O.125 R5

A key feature is the stems going through the claws on the reverse.

https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...6-stem/39331
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