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1847 Gothic Crown. How To Tell If Replica

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 Posted 12/16/2021  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list
If that coin is real and it probably is, what a shame!

I would say its worn down to VF as well. Could be rare as its a circulated and abused example. Even in that state though, that is a good find and a very scarce coin!

NumisRob - love that you got yours out again, it is a great coin to have. I will get one eventually when I start collecting crowns.
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 Posted 12/16/2021  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Real Gothic Crown that was turned into a " Brooch Spinner" thus the broken clasp obverse .
A fancy piece of Mid Victorian Coin Jewellery .
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 Posted 12/17/2021  05:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pgc to your friends list
Will get some pics of the edge later, but in the meantime if it is a real crown, can somebody advise an approx value and where would be the best place to offer it for sale.
Thank you for your help sofar, feeling hopeful that late hubby's 'feeling' for things old and interesting was right in this case.
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 Posted 12/17/2021  06:46 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list
Gothic crowns seem to fetch four-figure prices in almost any condition these days. This one recently sold on ebay for £2,250:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1847-Pro...324842444270
It was graded XF details but I'd consider it barely VF. When I bought mine, which I would grade Nearly Extremely Fine, it cost £550...
I'm sure someone would be able to advise on the best place to sell it. I wouldn't remove it from the brooch spinner as this may have curiosity value fo some collectors. It may well be that there are just two small pinholes in the edge. You could take it to a dealer and ask their advice, if there are any reputable coin shops around where you live.
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 Posted 12/17/2021  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pgc to your friends list
Ok, few more pics hopefully
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This is the best I can do. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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 Posted 12/19/2021  06:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pgc to your friends list
Any thoughts anyone ?
I live in a small village so there are no reputable coin shops anywhere fairly local.
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 Posted 12/19/2021  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list
I can't see anything definitely wrong with it, but I wouldn't want to swear it is original without checking it in hand.

As to what it is worth - very debateable. Old school would say "scrap metal" because of the damage to the rim from the mounting pins, but realistically it could make £1000 + at auction. You would need to put it into a decent auction so they can verify its authenticity before listing. If you sell on ebay, you will have to assure authenticity before listing and if any buyer felt it was not right, give full moneyback guarantee.
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 Posted 12/19/2021  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Try one of the coin auction firms , of which there are many
reputable ones in the UK!
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 Posted 12/19/2021  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pgc to your friends list
Any pointers on which auction house to approach. I am down on the SE coast of England near Canterbury.
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 Posted 12/19/2021  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list
I would use Dix Noonan and Webb in London - dnw.co.uk. They are very professional, realistic with commission charges and efficient in handling postage. Alternative would be Lockdales of Ipswich - lockdales.com. I am not a fan of London Coins as they do not take live online bidding. Spink would probably not list it because of the mounting.
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 Posted 12/25/2021  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pgc to your friends list
Well. have emailed Dix Noonan but havnt had a reply, maybe they closed early for Christmas.#
Will try the Ipswich one next.
Have also found a bag of coins that look to be metal detecting finds as they seem to be mainly Roman. Is there a market for these ?
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 Posted 12/25/2021  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list
The metal detecting finds: depends a lot on the quality. Unless they are remarkably good or rare (eg scarce Saxon or rarer Medieval monarchs) the big auction houses probably won't be interested. Roman metal detecting finds are generally very common, so they have to be silver or very good to get much interest. Best to find a local auction house and take them along for an assessment.
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 Posted 12/25/2021  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list
Yes there is a market for Roman, but as PaddyB says, it depends what it is. I would think ebay would be best. If they are bronzes of common emperors you might even sell them as a bulk lot, as you would probably make a tiny profit on each (after postage and fees), which is a lot of effort. If you know where they were found, that is a selling point to add value.
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 Posted 01/08/2022  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list
Well, does have the cleaning hairlines... but this type of mount is certainly better completely ruinous mount marks on the face of the coin.
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 Posted 01/09/2022  06:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pgc to your friends list
Well so far havnt had a reply from either auction house. Hopefully because of Christmas/New Year not because they think its a load of rubbish !
Will send another email in the hope that I get a reply.
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