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1969 D Penny Off Center Strike And Floating Roof Error

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 Posted 01/01/2022  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
Focus on floating roof please. I am not able to enlarge the region on your photo. You can do better.
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 Posted 01/01/2022  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Still looks attached on the right side of roof. Coin is off centered on both sides,off centered strike or MAD on both sides?
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 Posted 01/01/2022  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
The Lab microscope software do 'it.

Seem to be floating roof for me with some not sure left side. what you thing John? (you has more experience on this field)


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 Posted 01/01/2022  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sbglobal to your friends list
Yes sir Mr. John I think both sides are off center. Attached are better pictures of the floating roof.
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 Posted 01/01/2022  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
Floating roof. Nice. Price?: No idea, I am not on deals things.
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 Posted 01/01/2022  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
Looks to be floating to me too. A nice find—will you save it in a 2x2?
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 Posted 01/01/2022  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sbglobal to your friends list
I'll put it in whatever it needs to be in to preserve the coin. 2x2 zip lock or? I've been at this almost a month so I'm very much a rookie.
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 Posted 01/01/2022  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
Depending of the budget of every one, me I find that put in caps it is better. I pay attention that at least 48 h before put, the environment it is at 40% humidity and not more then 19 to 21 deg C.
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 Posted 01/01/2022  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
The floating roof is a gimmicky name (in hopes of selling something common for a lot of money) given to what happens when dies are polished to prolong their life. These are not mint errors such as a doubled die or misaligned die error, but are more in line with common Grease Filled Die strikes or Machine Doubling.

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 Posted 01/01/2022  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
Sorry to come with other post here.

In my lab we test many 2x2 from different sources and we find that ~90% has PVC and paper residues which are harmful to the coins. Thing better.
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 Posted 01/01/2022  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
If you permit me to contradict EARLE,:

Every thing you refer it is the old lexicon of the error and variety coins. The modern lexicon say very clear that the "die" category it is variety. I agree 100% with you that many use those names for big money.


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The floating roof is a gimmicky name (in hopes of selling something common for a lot of money) given to what happens when dies are polished to prolong their life. These are not mint errors such as a doubled die or misaligned die error, but are more in line with common Grease Filled Die strikes or Machine Doubling.


Your quote I say is 100% true. I think is up to us to fight against this war. Just think if us we are out of the business what will happened? More fake money then really.

This wave of the wind is on our back.

PS. Canada take steps because our numismatic community.
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 Posted 01/02/2022  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sbglobal to your friends list
With all due respect, in Texas if the roof of a building is hovering above w no support structure attached, must mean the roof is floating. Hence "Floating Roof" zero malice intended.
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 Posted 01/02/2022  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list

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If you permit me to contradict EARLE,:

Every thing you refer it is the old lexicon of the error and variety coins. The modern lexicon say very clear that the "die" category it is variety. I agree 100% with you that many use those names for big money.


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The floating roof is a gimmicky name (in hopes of selling something common for a lot of money) given to what happens when dies are polished to prolong their life. These are not mint errors such as a doubled die or misaligned die error, but are more in line with common Grease Filled Die strikes or Machine Doubling.



Your quote I say is 100% true. I think is up to us to fight against this war. Just think if us we are out of the business what will happened? More fake money then really.

This wave of the wind is on our back.

PS. Canada take steps because our numismatic community.


I may be mistaken, but I think you and I agree totally. I think the problem is in subtle translation differences?

I was trying to compare an actual collectable error physically produced by the mint's die making process (doubled die) or machinery (misaligned die) against a "die event" such as a die polishing.

BTW - I learned the term "die event" from a friend named Paul on another forum who is a Wisconsin State Representative and Master Die Variety Examiner for CONECA.

Although the slabbing companies do actually take some die events (such as the No FG 1972-D half dollar) and label them as actual varieties. Some of their reasoning could be because one of their former president's Ron Guth, was the one who "discovered" the 1972-D No FG half, and labeling it as a an actual variety brings in profits.

So there is a bit of confusion in the hobby as to technical definitions.
How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash?
Download and read: Grading the graders
Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves
https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2
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 Posted 01/02/2022  01:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
do not look to TPG. It is a mass inside.
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