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€100 Banknote With A "W" Prefix

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 Posted 01/05/2022  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlock to your friends list
This is indeed a very interesting find of a first series €100 note.
The letter of the serial number, here ''W,'' is indeed the country code. Initially, the letter ''W'' was assigned to Greece. However, that was changed. Greece got ''Y'' and ''W'' was assigned to Denmark.
As Greece joined the Euro very late (after cooking their books, but that is another story) it is possible that production of ''greek'' €100 began before the letter was changed.
It would be very interesting to know where this note was printed. This information can be found on the right of the star at the 9 o'clock position. Look very closely. A magnifiying glass helps. It should be a letter (the printer), then three digits (the number of the printing plate), then a letter and a number (indicating the position on the printing plate).


The country prefixes were abandoned for the second series.
The letter ''W'' now stands for the company Giesecke & Devrient GmbH and their printing facility in Leipzig. The one in MUnich was closed a few years ago.

Edited by redlock
01/05/2022 3:04 pm
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 Posted 01/05/2022  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nipper260968 to your friends list
I understand what you're saying Walk2dwater, but my banknote is not the Europa or 2nd series. It's the 1st series banknote of which the W was not used because it had been set aside for Denmark. I've been on the website you have suggested and I there are no answers there for me
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 Posted 01/05/2022  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nipper260968 to your friends list
Thank you redlock. I have spent the past few days checking out everything you have said and I'm still at a loss as to where this banknote originates from. I received a reply from the Danish Embassy telling me to contact the Danmarkbanken of which I have done. I'm now awaiting a reply from them. I have checked all the known security features using macro lenses and a UV light and they're all there. The note is genuine. I'm still very curious as to know is origin. Thank you everyone so far for your replies. I will keep you all informed as to the reply I may receive
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 Posted 01/05/2022  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list
If it is indeed a Duisenberg note (you've only posted a small crop -impossible to verify the signature), then that sounds like it is a remarkable find Graham. My SCWPM also shows 'W' as a reserved prefix for Denmark (along with other prefixes for other countries). It makes me wonder if a in-house test-note was produced & it somehow slipped outside the printing facility.

I would encourage you to check out the printer code. The small text off the arch has an initial & I would also post your query on EuroBillTracker. (I doubt the Danish embassy would know & you don't want government officials trying to recover your note).

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BTW: I found the above image (a screenshot) off the Bank Note Museum:
http://www.banknote.ws/COLLECTION/c...NTRAL%20BANK
& the EuroBillTracker link I provided earlier has info on printer codes.
Edited by walk2dwater
01/05/2022 5:16 pm
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 Posted 01/05/2022  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nipper260968 to your friends list
The printer code on the note is P003G2100 and the image I posted was well cropped. Wasn't quite sure how to post the whole picture but if you give me an email address then I will happily send the pictures I have taken including the ones under UV
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 Posted 01/05/2022  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nipper260968 to your friends list
Actually that would be P003G2 for the printer code and position number I believe
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 Posted 01/06/2022  04:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nipper260968 to your friends list
Ok so I signed up on the Euro Tracker website and put in all the information which was all accepted including the Printer Code, apart from the serial number. It states that the serial number is invalid. So there is something about this banknote that really doesn't make sense to me. I have looked very carefully again at the note and it has every security feature that is either visible or hidden so I'm dumbfounded as to where is has originated from.
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 Posted 01/06/2022  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlock to your friends list

Quote:
Actually that would be P003G2 for the printer code and position number I believe


Here, P stands for Giesecke & Devrient. Thus, this note was either printed in Munich or Leipzig. Giesecke & Devrient did print series one €100 notes for Greece -- using the prefix ''Y.''
As I said previously, if the note is genuine and it's likely it is, it was probably printed before the country code for Greece was changed from ''W'' to ''Y.'' Perhaps, a test run? Somehow, this note escaped detection.
I think you should contact the ECB in Frankfurt Germany and/or D&G in Munich/Leipzig about it.
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 Posted 01/06/2022  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nipper260968 to your friends list
I will contact those places. The Danish National Bank weren't really that helpful because I don't think they quite understand my question. They just said that they don't print Euro Banknotes which I already knew. I have noticed on the Euro Tracker website that there are a few W prefix but very few so I'm also thinking it's possible that some were made for Greece before they changed to a Y prefix. I will keep trying but thank you everyone for your help so far
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 Posted 01/14/2022  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list
I was drooling over some of the PMG Registry sets when I stumbled across their CHAT forum & a subsequent query by 'Graham' re: the mysterious 'W' prefixed €100.
https://boards.pmgnotes.com/topic/4...ever-issued/
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 Posted 01/16/2022  02:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlock to your friends list

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I will contact those places.


Any response from the ECB or G&D yet?
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 Posted 01/16/2022  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nipper260968 to your friends list
Ok so no response as yet from the actual manufacturer of the banknote. The experts at PMG have stated that "in their opinion" what I have is a very sophisticated forgery. I'm not too sure that it is an actual forgery. My only and main reason for saying this is "why on earth would a forger go to such extreme measures to produce such a forgery, only to then use a "non existent" prefix!!!! I'm sorry but it really doesn't make sense. I'm not giving up hope as yet. I really think that is a genuine note. I'll await the reply from the manufacturer I think
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 Posted 01/16/2022  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list

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My only and main reason for saying this is "why on earth would a forger go to such extreme measures to produce such a forgery, only to then use a "non existent" prefix!!!! I'm sorry but it really doesn't make sense.


- In short b/c criminals are stupid. I don't want to burst your bubble but I have seen several fakes, as a blackjack dealer in Vancouver & then from a collector friend. I also received a fake $20 myself & it had a completely non-existent prefix! At first I thought I had a factory test note (what every collector desires) & then I went over some of the security devices & some of them were missing (while others were 'off'). The friend with the fake collection told me that the forgers often get the font of the serial number wrong. How dumb is that? But, yes, probably the last thing they worry about.

Anyway, good luck. Hope its not a fake!
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 Posted 01/17/2022  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Orac to your friends list
This is a very interesting find.
I would tend to go with the suggestion of an early Greek printage.
I will be interested to learn what the ECB reply on it is. Don't send the note to them though!
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