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Quote: What is OGP? "Original Government Packaging", like for mint sets, proof coins etc. The plastic case and/or the box the coins were shipped in from the Mint. Quote: They are very good and their plastic is hard (this indicates the absence of PVC). Technically, "hard" or rigid plastic indicates the absence of plasticizers that make the plastic soft. For PVC it is the plasticizers, rather than the PVC itself, that causes the damage over time. Nevertheless, it remains true that, as a general rule, "hard plastic = good, soft plastic = bad". Quote: As far as I know, the cardboard 2x2 is intended for temporary storage of coins (1-2 years, maybe 3, but this is the maximum period). Cardboard 2x2s are perfectly fine for long-term storage. How "good" they are depends entirely on the manufacturer. It certainly is possible to buy chean'n'nasty 2x2s that are either made of PVC or are made of something else that's laced with plasticizer. All of the ones I've been using for the last 20+ years are fine. Quote: Perhaps flip costs you a couple of cents and therefore for you it is the cheapest way of storage and you store coins there with low cost. No coin dealer I've ever found in Australia sells the flips. The flips I buy are imported direct from FORVM, an ancients dealer in America, so they are not my cheapest option, which is why I only use them for coins that warrant it. By which I mean, ancient coins (which are usually too thick and awkwardly-shaped to fit into a 2x2 easily), worn coins (which often become unreadable if sealed up inside a 2x2), and mediaeval coins (which often need to be examined in hand up close, to read the legends, determine varieties and types, etc). Quote: Do you buy such sheets and put your 2x2 cardboard there ? The sheets I buy hold 20 coins (5 rows of 4). You can see examples on the Print File website. There used to be a local supplier for these, but with the demise of photography supplies shops as everybody went digital, I have to import these from America as well. A pack of 100 pages usually lasts me several years. I do find it interesting that that website, even though the company aims itself at phographers, also includes pictures of coins in 2x2s in their pages. They have finally realised that coin collectors make up a significant minority of their customer base.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
 Russian Federation
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Sorry I forgot you're from Australia) I recently purchased a flip of a slightly different format. The old seller raised the price a lot + I needed a flip of my large coins such as the 1969 Fiji Dollar, the Ike dollar, etc. Quote: The sheets I buy hold 20 coins (5 rows of 4). I usually saved on such sheets. Considering that the main thing is 2x2 cardboard. leuchtturm- This is a German company that I usually buy. Many collectors love it here in Russia and possibly throughout Europe. I have a question for you. When you buy 2x2 cardboard, what sizes do you purchase for yourself? For me, this is the main problem. I can buy a coin, but I won't have the right size for it and will have to spend extra money to buy 2x2 + shipping.
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Pillar of the Community
 Russian Federation
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Do you use albums to store coins ? Just sheets for storage ? Question to all Forum participants.
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
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I use 2x2 cardboard with mylar windows. The same brand, leuchtturm. I house them in sheets which hold 20 2x2s the same as Sap uses and they go into polypropylene 3 ring binders. ( hoping someone will advise me if polypropylene is a good choice) As far as what sizes I buy, I get them to suit the coins. My feeling is that a small coin in a big 2x2 window will easily drift off-centre and could rotate around inside. A snug fitting coin is trapped inside and stays centered.Also less air inside in contact with the coin, to reduce excess oxydisation over time.
The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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 Australia
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Quote: I have a question for you. When you buy 2x2 cardboard, what sizes do you purchase for yourself? For me, this is the main problem. I can buy a coin, but I won't have the right size for it and will have to spend extra money to buy 2x2 + shipping. I buy all of them. Folks who collect just one series (like "American coins" or "euro coins"), can afford to just get the coin sizes relevant for that series. But as I collect everything, I need all the sizes. I keep them in a drawer next to the computer where I sort and catalogue all recently-acquired coins. When I have a coin that I think needs to go in a 2x2, I just open the drawer and pick out one that fits best. Quote: I house them in sheets which hold 20 2x2s the same as Sap uses and they go into polypropylene 3 ring binders. ( hoping someone will advise me if polypropylene is a good choice) Anything that isn't actively outgassing corrosive substances is fine. But rigid plastic boxes are the best, simply because you can stack them up on top of each other and they don't "squeeze" the albums at the bottom of the pile. "Squeezing" a page full of 2x2s, especially if either the 2x2 film or the album page is poor-quality plastic, can result in solvent transfer of plasticizer between the album page and the film - which is what causes the films to turn "sticky" and hard to remove from the pages. To demonstrate what I mean, let's go back to the Print File website I linked to earlier, and check out the albums that I buy in bulk: Safe-T-Binders. They're rigid polypropylene; they come in ringed and ringless versions (I buy the ringed ones) and they clip shut for transportation if you need to carry them around the place. You can put them on a bookshelf ring-side-up so you don't have to worry about the pages sagging inside the album. Finally, they're more or less a loosely-sealed box, which helps reduce atmospheric exposure. It's not airtight, but it's better than an open binder. The main drawback with them is the clips are just plastic, so tend to break after prolonged use.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Rest in Peace
United States
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The main thing here is holder your nice coins and keep them away from extreme heat and cold . Also keeping coins in a high humidity environment will kill your prize examples . Try to , store your holders with desiccant packs . Do this with your singles , your albums and any other way you choose to keep your coins . I use a bunch of them in my cardboard 2x2 holder boxes . BTW my albums are in zip lock bags filled with desiccant packs . Keep your prize collection as safe and sound as possible . 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I use CAPS Albums. A little on the pricey side, but the best.
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Pillar of the Community
 Russian Federation
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Does your collection look something like this ? (sorry, I need visualization and I don't fully understand you. Ignorance of English makes everything worse).  Quote: which is what causes the films to turn "sticky" and hard to remove from the pages. So you're saying that it's best to store your album vertically? To.......... Why are we even talking about the album and the pages ? I thought only 2x2 material is important for coins. Pages, album, they are secondary.
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Pillar of the Community
 Russian Federation
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I think I've figured out what Sap is talking about. It is best to store the album horizontally. So there is no plasticizer (here I did not understand) this gives a sheet and 2x2 reaction. In turn, the reaction of the plasticizer glues the sheet and 2x2. You will not be able to deliver your 2x2 from the sheet. And in turn, 2x2 can stick to the coin. But why put albums on top of each other, why not vertically? Well , the leaves will sag and so what ?
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
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hmmmm...just looking at the CAPS system. That's a whole other world. 
The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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Moderator
 United States
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It is. They are quite large as well. I am contemplating using them for my Innovation dollars and possibly a third Ike set. 
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Pillar of the Community
 Russian Federation
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I agree that capsules are pretty good, but it's not always appropriate. There is no point in making the capsule cost more than a coin, it's stupid. @Sap. Please explain again. How should I store my album ? Which 2x2 should I use so that there is no harm to the coin.
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Moderator
 Australia
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Quote: @Sap. Please explain again. How should I store my album ? Which 2x2 should I use so that there is no harm to the coin. I'll try my best, though it would be easier to show in a video. It's generally impossible to keep a coin album "right way up" on a bookshelf, the same way you'd usually keep a normal book on a bookshelf, because the pages of a coin album full of coins are much heavier than pages in a normal book. So the pages will sag, and try to tear themselves away from the "top" rings of the album, ruining the pages. To avoid this problem, you really have only two possible solutions: Stack the albums flat, on top of each other, or balance them "sideways", with all the rings of the album at the top. If either the 2x2 or the album page contains plasticizers - and it can be hard to tell - then you don't want to be keeping coin albums stacked on top of each other. Because if you've got a large stack of coin albums all sitting on top of each other, the weight of all the albums sitting on the top of the pile will "squeeze" down on the albums at the bottom of the pile, and under those pressures, any plasticizer in one or both of two dissimilar plastics will migrate between the plastics. Plasticizer migration usually causes either the album page or the film of the 2x2 (or both) to become "sticky", and you end up with a sticky mess that you'll want to throw away. Note that this doesn't usually affect or ruin the coins themselves, just the album pages and the 2x2 holders the coins are sitting in.Though of course a "sticky" 2x2 is more likely to get totally stuck if left in an album for too long, and the 2x2 is likely to tear apart the next time you try to take that coin out of the album. This leaves only one optimal solution: putting the coin albums "sideways" on a bookshelf, with the rings at the top. This way, gravity is puling down on all the holes on an album page equally, and they don't sag (though may eventually weaken and tear, given enough time). And, because albums aren't being stacked on top of each other, there's no compression that might result in plasticizer transfer. Getting a regular binder or coin album to stand up sideways isn't easy, as it doesn't have a square, solid base; you need to prop them up with bookends or other books. The safe-t-binders I linked to earlier are a rigid box, so they have a square base no matter which way you put them in a bookshelf, so they will "stand up sideways" all by themselves.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
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Now I understand. Thanks a lot for the explanation, it moved me a little bit forward.
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
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My thanks also Sap, that gives me more food for thought.
The Ox moves slowly, but the Earth is patient.
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