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91(O)'s are soft and very weak in strike so this doesn't surprise me at all It's a big part of grading I am not versed in. I just grade based on details I see etc, it prob would be better if I just used PCGS photo grade but Iv been trying to practice my grading. After looking again I think it's the lighting also attributing to the detail I see, the lower back of the hair look much less worn the every other part of the obverse, there is a similar situation in the reverse. I guess the central and highest parts of the coin being struck would have the least detail though since metal flows outwards so more detail would be in the out designs. |
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I just grade based on details I see etc, cant do that Wrekkdd. TPG's include strike in the grade assessment. my question has been do the graders know the typical strikes on all the coins. for example we know almost all the New Orleans dollars from 1886 through 1901 had strike issues. do that take that in consideration? I do as weak strike can almost always be construed as wear. I recently posted a topic with a link that covers exactly this http://goccf.com/t/423503Quote:
I guess the central and highest parts of the planchet being struck would have the least detail t this is correct. the high points of the coin are recessed in the die, therefore it take more pressure to fill in the die with the metal. this is true for any series. knowing the recessed areas of any series must be considered. on morgans, the hair around the ear and the breast show weakness first. for some this appears to be wear but knowing that this year at the N.O. mint is known for weak strikes you have to consider it. photograde is not going to help when it comes to strike issues, however you can use it to compare other components of the coin knowing that it was a weaker strike. you can see by looking at the date, lettering and even the leaves on the reverse and a couple of the other devices comparing those with photograde you can see these fall into the XF range. on an XF coin you are not going to see a breast this flat nor hair around the ear this flat unless its from strike and thus your comment that some areas look F12 and some almost AU it takes years of grading these and studying the various mints and their typical strike nuances each year. I am by no means an expert and continue to learn about them after over 50 years in grading them but I do know enough to make an educated assessment as to whats going on with these. am I correct 100% of the time. nope and thats why grading is so subjective keep learning and the more you look at these the better you will get at closing in on a more accurate grade. for me the most difficult morgans to grade are actually the circulated ones XF or below as its harder to determine whats strike and whats wear. read the link I posted above. its a short but informative article. hope this helps a little. |
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Great coin! The 1891-O is die clash paradise. It looks VLDS, and I think I see the die sink marker on the reverse, so maybe terminal die state and VAM 1A2? It's one of the 1As, and definitely has the transferred BERT and DO/mm. For grading, it has the trifecta of late die state, heavy clashing, and heavy clash polishing. If it is the 1A2, BUs look EF-40 on this variety. On the obverse, the hair over the ear, hair over the eyes, bear claws, and cotton blossoms are typically close to flattened. Ignoring those, and grading from the lower curls, wheat grains, and eye details, there is moderate wear. On the reverse, the flatness on the eagle's breast and legs is part of the strike. There is moderate wear on the eagle's right wing, and lighter wear on the eagle's tail feathers, which are the better struck parts of the design on this VAM. It looks like there is some residual luster in the protected areas. Overall, I'm seeing this one in the EF-45/AU-50 range. Again, really cool Top 100 Morgan. @Bump111, did you cherry pick this critter?
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VF-30 and will most likely straight grade.
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taking another look at the surfaces I am revising my grade to XF45 straight grade
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I've enjoyed the conversation related to this Morgan and to the nuances of grading the New Orleans series. That's why this is such a great place to talk coins. I've been at our club show for two days and apologize for my tardiness. Quote:
Again, really cool Top 100 Morgan. @Bump111, did you cherry pick this critter? It was unattributed, but with something this obvious there was at least one other person bidding. I was able to snag it within my alloted budget, about 2x what a standard '91O would go for in this grade. "Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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 @Bump111, very well done! This is a tough VAM. That poor die pair was worked to death. You snagged a really nice example. |
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I love the broad spectrum of grades for this one. I though it was just me(iv only looked at maybe 100 Morgans and tried to grade less then a dozen). I think I'm getting good at grading but agree f12-AU on dollars must be one of th hardest things to guess an accurate grade since it is so subjective.
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So based on what iv read and heard I'm going to say VF 35 possible xf40 grades straight.
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I was very happy to be able to add this crazy Morgan to the small pile at my house. For those interested that haven't already had a chance to see it, there is an interesting letter written in 1891 by the Mint's director regarding this variety. It is found at the bottom of this page on VAMWorld: http://www.vamworld.com/wiki/1891-O_VAM-1A1"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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I know nothing about VAM's but didn't notice that clash before you posted the link. Very cool addition. |
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