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Pillar of the Community
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Looks like the flake by the O is leaving some odd-shaped impressions on the coin. Interesting.
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nice catch on the strike through, nice die crack on the obverse too.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Just a rim to rim die crack so far. A Retained Cud would show separation of where the retained area was altered:    Just looks like a die crack to me. CoopHome: What is the difference between a die crack and a Retained Cud? movement away from the normal area Edited by coop
08/07/2022 4:13 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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 no movement in the crack yet. |
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Thanks for the replies everybody! I agree that this is not a Retained Cud and that's why I made no mention of it being one.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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The term Pre Cud is considered as equal to a Retained Cud. Thus the one on this coin is not a pre-cud but just a die crack. A Cud is when it breaks off of the die. The Retained Cud is retained in the collar a lot longer, then eventually breaks off of the die. So I use the older term, rather than the " Retained Cud" = 'Pre Cud.' Your coin is not a pre Cud, but a die crack. This can go from die crack, Die Chip, Die Break, Retained Cud and then a Cud. So this doesn't happen all at once. CoopHome: What is the difference between a Die Crack and a Cud? progressive die events Edited by coop
08/07/2022 8:05 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Coop, this is from the Cuds on Coins site.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978 |
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It lumps the two together in the title of that article. To me they will be Retained Cuds. The loose part of the die is retained on the die still. The older term has been used for decades. The "new term", is just a new term. |
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Interesting debate. Error-ref says: Arcing rim-to-rim die crack (a.k.a., pre-cud) Definition: A die crack that follows a curved trajectory from one point on the rim to another. The area of the die face cordoned off by such a crack generally amounts to less than 40% of the total area. The die crack shows only lateral spread. The presence of either vertical displacement or horizontal offset would indicate the presence of a Retained Cud. |
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A pre-cud is a small die crack. This crack always start from the rims. We still put example of definitions which was not up-graded from decade. So we have one thing the rims are affected. then the crack must be continuous without interruptions indifferent of the level of the design. IMO: when we read something we have to analyze when was wrote and what was find after if we want the clock right..
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Thanks HGK3, looks like error-ref and cudsoncoins have a similar definition.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978 |
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...no movement in the crack yet. keep watching  KK |
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