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A Couple Of Chinese Half Cents On Ebay

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 Posted 08/26/2022  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list
Phil310 said...


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The seller did finally contact me a few minutes ago and said:

" ebay does not allow fake coins and would have taken it down if that were true. have a nice day!"


I sent a message to the seller and got the same reply as this, word for word. The listing now has 18 bids at $113.50.
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 Posted 08/26/2022  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpsned to your friends list
Phil310, I may be missing something here, but why can't these be genuine? Thanks.
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 Posted 08/26/2022  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list
The 1803 was copied from an 1804 die with the spiked chin (probably Cohen 6). They then removed the date so they could make dies with different dates. The reverses of both coins were copied from an 1804 Cohen 6, so that reverse would not be paired with either of the dates 1803 or 1805. The numerals of the dates are nothing like the numerals on genuine coins either. There have been a lot of these showing up on ebay for the last few years.
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 Posted 08/26/2022  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Chances are the seller knows exactly what these are.
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Phil310 really knows his stuff!

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Yeah, the digits are terrible and the "spikec chin" variety was fir 1804 only...that I am aware of.
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 Posted 08/26/2022  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
Yeah, the digits are terrible and the "spikec chin" variety was for 1804 only...that I am aware of.
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 Posted 08/27/2022  06:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list
Just checked this auction.

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This listing was ended by the seller because the item was sold.

Last bid was $120.50

I really hope that someone isn't out that much for counterfeit coins.
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 Posted 08/27/2022  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list
Just checked this out and it seems the listing has gone poof...for now...
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 Posted 08/27/2022  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list
Hopefully the seller just ended the listing without actually selling them to anyone. There are way too many of these Chinese fake coins in the marketplace.

Nothing is more discouraging to a new collector than finding out a coin you bought in good faith is a counterfeit. I bought what I thought was a XF 1799 US silver dollar in the late 1970's from a reputable dealer for $ 530.00. It was by far the most I had ever paid for a coin (and still is). It turned out to be a modern counterfeit. I found this out when an expert on counterfeit coins was at a coin show and agreed to check out coins for free to those attending. I was stunned when he told me it wasn't real and explained the features that identified it as a counterfeit. The story ends well for me though. The reputable dealer I bought it from was at the same show and in less than 10 minutes, I had been refunded the $ 530.00. I became very cautious about buying any coin and it really discouraged me for a time. I also began to buy books and learn as much as I could about the coins I was interested in.

So I learned two very important things from the experience. 1 - Study and learn about the coins you collect 2 - Always buy expensive coins from a reputable dealer.

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 Posted 08/27/2022  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
It shows up in Sold listings for "1803 Half Cent", so it seems like someone got hosed. But I'm not sure what specifically "This listing was ended by the seller because the item was sold" means - usually I see "because there was an error in the listing" when a seller pulls an item, or "Bidding has ended on this item."
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 Posted 08/27/2022  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list
Looks like there may have been a bit of shill bidding going on and seller sold it to himself.
Interesting to see if it gets relisted.
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 Posted 08/28/2022  03:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wan to your friends list
yaeh I am Chinese and I can testify it#12290;It is the reason I do not collect the coins pf my country#12290;You can tell this one is fake#65292;but you can never imagine the Chinese counterfeiting technology
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I wrote a Coin Week article on this "family" of fakes @ https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/s...-half-cents/
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 Posted 01/07/2023  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list
burfle23, Thanks for the link to your article!
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