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1792 Half Disme - Help Identifying This Weird Thing, Thinking Maybe Test Piece Of Possible Fake

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 Posted 09/04/2022  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
I just had to subscribe to this topic so I can see what the experts say. Interesting and crude if genuine or not. I wonder if "EXP-2" stands for experimental, and by whom?
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 Posted 09/05/2022  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fishinguy to your friends list
@ mr.t, experimental, example,are some things I was thinking the exp.2 meant.Birch is also spelled out under the bust.it is rather large at 52mm in diameter. the weight will be found tomorrow. ( my precision reloading scale doesn't go up that high).crude is a fantastic word to describe it.there is a lot of mystery involving Birch and his connections with G.W.i just hope "experts " who are not financially motivated take a look into this.it was with other real colonial coins of value.
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 Posted 09/08/2022  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fishinguy to your friends list
Hello folks.new member here. I have always been fascinated with American history,especially coins.i started like most others after receiving some Lincoln cents including 1909 vdb from a family member. I recently just acquired a handful of colonial coins which I am very uneducated in. I have been able to identify most of them on my own and some from awesome members in another forum on this site.However there is one piece I am completely stumped on.after reading hours of old transcripts and articles I have found myself going down the rabbit hole.I will say I'm a 33 yr old ,old school ,pen and paper kind of fellow.That being said if this is in the wrong forum or my "etiquette" is not up to par please correct me as I take well to criticism. This is the piece in question. Measuring 52mm in diameter, silver,bronze alloy ,weight is unknown"im purchasing a digital scale tomorrow". The thickness varies dramatically and the piece itself is very primitive .any help gaining knowledge is greatly appreciated. Birch is under the bust and exp.2 is on the rim.I will add this is posted in the identification forum as well.thank you again. The fishing guy.

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 Posted 09/08/2022  02:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
Looks like a fantasy piece created by a fan of early coinage to me. Birch designed a cent with a wreath reverse and the Half Disme with an eagle reverse. This experiment appears to combine elements of the two coins attributed to Bob Birch.

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 Posted 09/08/2022  07:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
@fish, since best practice is to only start one thread per piece, I have merged your new topic in with this older one. Please click on the "report this post to the staff" link if you would like to request that the entire thread be moved over to our US Colonial subforum. At least so far the consensus seems to be that you do not have a coin here, so the final resting place may be in our exonumia subforum.
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 Posted 09/08/2022  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list
Cute, but no cigar
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 Posted 09/08/2022  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thecoinguy1964 to your friends list
Cast.
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 Posted 09/08/2022  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Cast fantasy fake.
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 Posted 09/08/2022  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fishinguy to your friends list
Thanks for all the informative info.does anyone of you cute experts have an answer as to why this cute fantasy cast would be made of silver.which is not cheap?
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 Posted 09/09/2022  03:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
Gee, the pictures here make it appear to be copper or bronze. Looking more closely you can see the overall grainy appearance which indicates a casting. Are you certain it is silver and not some pot metal, pewter, or other base metal that had been plated ? Even still it is kinda cool.
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 Posted 09/09/2022  03:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
Once you get a scale that can read to two decimal points, you can conduct a specific gravity test to see if the results indicate Silver as the metal or if you have access to a shop with XFR, they can tell you the composition.
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 Posted 09/09/2022  05:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
to the CCF.
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 Posted 09/09/2022  05:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fishinguy to your friends list
Mr. T, thank you.your comment is something truly informative and for those looking to learn like myself appreciate the small amount of effort put into a reply like that." Cute doesn't say anything other than "I'm lazy".
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 Posted 09/09/2022  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list
It is definitely cast, rather than struck. How was the metallic content determined?
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 Posted 09/09/2022  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
If it's really 52 mm (that is, just over 2 inches) in diameter, it's not going to be a real colonial coin for sure. Too large by far. The crude lettering and the absolutely cartoonish portrait don't help either.

It's obviously a fantasy piece but at this size (if true) I'm unconvinced that it was even intended to be a coin (even a fantasy one) as opposed to (e.g.) a coaster or a paperweight (that happened to be done in coin-like style).

I wonder how much it weighs. At this size I'd guess maybe about 100 grams?
FWIW by the photos I don't get the impression that it could be silver; most likely some kind of bronze or brass.
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