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Bedrock of the Community
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I agree that it may look like a "S" but it was not on there when the coin was struck. It cannot be hand punched as the last hand punched mm was in 1989. It cannot be on the die or else every coin struck from that die would have an S on it. The devises are permanently engraved into the die so having an incorrect letter can't happen. What you have is some sort of mark or damage that looks like an S, nothing more. It doesn't really matter how this happened, If it didn't occur during the striking of the coin, it is considered damage.
Edited by JimmyD 10/31/2022 10:52 am
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Moderator
 United States
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OK how about this going picture-by-picture: 1. Overall coin pic  It looks like there is some die polishing around the chin and eye area 2/3. Date and MM  Looks like split plating and some zinc bubbles/rot. 4. Under the ear and jaw line  Seems to be more zinc bubbles 5. the WAM  Yes, it is a WAM (which is normal for this year) and what appears to be staining on the surface of the coin. 6/7. reported as extra columns  This is the normal appearance for this coin. Behind columns 1 and 12 are secondary columns that wrap around the building. Behind columns 5 and 8 are the wall openings to the inner chamber.  8. FG  I see more staining to the east of it. 9. Liberty  Possible DDD or MD - a far reach could be the start of a Ridge Ring - but not likely 10. close-up of chin  same as image 1 - looks like die polishing to me
Edited by Dearborn 10/31/2022 11:06 am
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New Member
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Well, thanks for letting me know JimmyD. I'm not trying to sell anybody here this coin, I was asking questions that it might help to know the answer to about this stuff. But I'm not done showing pictures of how it clearly looks to not just me until ole froggy has his coffee. I'll learn and I'll ask questions to learn. But when I'm told why something happened doesn't matter, that it's okay for me to just know how it is, then it starts to sound to me like there's some old grubs here that want to keep a premium on their knowledge. To the sources of information that actually told me why or explained some of it, thank you and I mean it. But to ole frog, he thinks he was calling me out or something. Is that not why there is discussions on this site, to learn things you don't know? Because I may not know much about the mint and the rarest varieties or every type of post mint damage, but I'm calling you out for acting like a jerk. Actually that was less annoying than you acting like I'm imagining things, did I imagine it if others said it looks how I see how it looks? That's not about whatever each individual character/stratch/mark/damage or whatever it is, not about if it is there legitimately from the mint or post damage or not, it's about how it looks to other people. Now that's along the lines of what I was first asking in this thread, but since someone here is saying I'm imagining things because of what is in a picture, then I can talk silly and beat around the bush too but I don't feel like wasting my time.
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Hey I appreciate that reply. And replying in that order makes it pretty simple to go back and look at each individual thing with more clarity. Now about the zinc bubbles, wouldn't it be unlikely that a zinc bubble would form in a way that pretty much any letter looks like besides maybe "o" or something vaguely shaped similar? I ask because I thought the one I assumed as "D", I mean it actually looks to me like a bulging circular bubble object. I say that while I'm about to say this again as well, the thing that looks, at least to me, like an "s" on the neck, I took screenshots of that picture how it is there, and with the exposure setting in photo editing up at max and at the lowest low. I'll attach the two new photos as zoomed in as I can, in any case that thing on Lincoln's image's neck looks like an "s" to me whether the photo is how it looked or bright as it goes or as shaded as it goes. Please, view for yourselves.   I do see where it could look fat, on the thing that I say looks like an "s", there on it's East side but regardless, whatever that is it's a different shade and my point still remains as simple as it was before, the form that the thing is in looks just like an "s". If this coin was only worth face value I'd still be saying that because that's just common sense, and I'm not talking bad if anyone sees it differently, I'm saying for me to say it don't look like how it looks, that makes no sense.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I happen to agree with the Frog. There are several zinc blisters forming and miscellaneous circulation hits, all are post mint damage. There does not appear to be any errors on this cent; it did not come from the mint looking like this. Perhaps better photos would help. There does seem to be a good dose of Pareidolia involved as well. I wish you luck with this coin. Personally, I'd move on to something more promising. 
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 United States
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Zinc bubbles take on many shapes, sometimes they are trails - we call them linear zinc bubbles. The zinc dust on the uncoated planchet will indicate which direction the bubble will form. Also an 'S' shape could just be part of a round bubble that is not yet finished forming., but once it bursts out, it just becomes a mess.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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OP - I thought you were trying to learn whether these letters and numbers you're seeing were made by the mint (deliberately or in error) at the time the coins were struck. I'm simply saying they were not.
Edited by Coinfrog 10/31/2022 12:41 pm
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New Member
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Now if you read that and looked and you still just don't see how any of it looks the way I say I think it looks, then okay. That is not a problem. I guess at this point I'd say we might have both got in this conversation thinking what we thought was right and that is that unless someone can convince you otherwise. But even off that little "zinc bubble" under the ear, I used quotation marks because I don't know, how could there be a reflection on it? My point here is that, and once again I'm asking, shouldn't a light source coming from above the coin hit and reflect off the high points, the raised portions and pieces, of the coin first? Then it might reflect the lower "base" level if you'll excuse my terminology if you turn the coin or provide a different angle for the light to hit first, but the coin laying flat and a light shining on it from above, the raised parts of the coin reflect first and quite brightly. And that is one very long winded way of saying if how the "things" got 'ON' there then it was placed there. I did not say the mint placed those "things" the things that look like letters, on the coin. I don't know who placed it on there or how it got on there. The point is, it got 'ON' there, as in it's a raised point above the general "height" of the coin, so it was likely done on purpose. If those parts of the coin were not raised up, as in if it was showing because material was removed in whatever fashion the shape is in, and therefore if those spots were actually low points, because it would be lower than "base" because in that case material would have been removed for that shape to be there, if that was the case then I wouldn't still be typing this long response out, because then about this specific coin it's value at least, the "how" to me wouldn't be as important as knowing that the coin is face value and that is that. I hope someone can make sense of that because I about forgot the point I was making typing that much. But since that is not the case because such "things" do reflect light and therefore are likely "high points" or raised areas on the coins surface, I'm back to what my 4 questions were in my second post of this thread.
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New Member
 United States
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I understand what you're saying Frog, I never once said that I know this coin came from the mint with these exact marks and whatever you want to call them the things that look like letters, in my first post about this I was asking if some of it was caused by coin clashing because in some guide I read about Lincoln Cent errors and varieties, the "coin clashing" scenario was the closet description to what I see on the coin, marks and more than one of those marks that look like letters or numbers. I didn't ask to go down a rabbit hole but if someone says I'm imagining what I'm literally showing whoever else cares to see this thread, then it's hard to have a patient yet honest discussion immediately afterwards. No hard feelings to you Frog, if anything unless someone can explain differently about how light and the raised parts of a coin would act differently, then I'm still focused on the argument that they were placed on the coin, on purpose or not, by who I don't know, then if it was gouged or in anyway damaged by the removal of material, taking metal 'OFF'. So a more direct question would be, do any of you have any idea of or how someone who doesn't work at the mint could do that, or why they would do that for seemingly no reason else than the coin returning to circulation?
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Valued Member
United States
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I looked at some of your other posts, and you sure see a lot of things others do not on your coins. Seems like it happens a lot, and you do not like the answers you are getting.
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New Member
 United States
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So, some of your points are it's still probably zinc bubbles, at least the zinc bubbles that happen to look just like letters, so therefore it could appear to be or actually be raised up, and therefore reflect light and therefore if that is so then that would leave my raised point/light/might have still been placed on there I don't know theory invalid if that is the reason?
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New Member
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If by not liking the answers you actually mean trying to figure it out and ask questions that might be obvious to those who already know a lot but not to the person who was asking a different question about the same coins in the first place, then sure. You sure seem to think you got me figured out after one response in my thread where you relayed little to no information and yet there is my honest response. I could care less if my questioning offends you or others, and I was long winded in some of my points but I didn't think I would need to spell out letter by letter exactly the question or a question very similar to what I was asking before someone who isn't me started talking about a subject I didn't bring up that had nothing to do with the coins themselves, or beat it over my head that the coins didn't come from the mint like that when I said that's fine I just want to know what it is. And if that's what it is then I responded about that in my response right before this one. So,what do you care you're just wasting my time and I'm still being honest with you. Here to learn about coins not how people feel about certain questions I ask.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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MintOrSpent -- Consider submitting your coin to a reputable third party grading (and attribution) service. If you do, please let is know the results. Thanks. Matters little, but for the record--given the images posted--I'm seeing copper plating/zinc issues as noted by others...with a dose of Pareidolia.
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New Member
 United States
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Maybe on your dime I would but not after hearing what the majority consensus of this thread has said. And posting pictures and asking questions about the coin I knew little about is and was my goal of starting this thread, just because some don't like that I may question still what that means or the likelihood of a specific scenario whether it be the case of my coin or not, doesn't mean I'm not going to ask more about it. Nobody had to continue to respond, I didn't either. And I get it, you might have thought you were being funny saying to have the coin graded and to let you all know how that goes, after reading all the posts in this thread, I may not always be the kindest speaker or writer but the people seem sure and the coin is just a coin to me, I'll be asking about the next one I find whoever I ask about it. I found it interesting how different this coin was compared to other Lincoln cents, then to other cents of the same year and mint. I might have not known the exact reason how it happened which is why I asked but I personally haven't seen a coin like that where what could be just zinc issues regardless of what it is when I saw it and posted it, looked like letters. I appreciate that people still are trying to let me know, and whoever posted their response out per picture, someone send that persona coin because they know how to answer a question like a science test
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 United States
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Quote: I could care less if my questioning offends you or others @mint, that is a completely unacceptable attitude here. This website is for learning in a family-friendly manner. With regard to this cent, I think that you have achieved a solid consensus opinion from us. I'm not sure that there is any more to say so I'm going to lock this thread. You should definitely keep this cent if you find it interesting—our collections are all individualized to our own preferences. I look forward to continued, but civil, posts from you. 
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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