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I'm betting whatever occurred at K2 obv was the reason along with a million scratches leading me to an AU details (damaged) coin. I'm not sure i'd call that a test chop due to its location. who knows.
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To me this looks to have a lot of hairlines . Trade dollars get a pass or lenient grading on these . I think though it's AU-58 for a numeric grade. I think if you noted 55 as a minimum you may get it back as Au-58 straight graded |
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 to the CCF Great discussion - hope it helped you. Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Yes thanks for these responses! Learning tons. My resubmission in December didn't put anything for minimum grade so will be curious to see if indeed it's the hairlines that held it back the first time if it straight grades this time (would love a 58!), or if it DNCs again meaning it's gotta be that 2 o'clock punch.
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The punch mark (or whatever it is) and the hairlines are both significant problems. Either one alone should have been enough to preclude a straight grade. I think I would have left it in the NGC holder.
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My guess is PCGS thought is was improperly cleaned.
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Had another chopmarked trade receive the DNC notice this morning... minimum grade I had selected was AU-50 for the unsuccessful crossover. so far I'm 0 for 3 for crossing these to PCGS when on all three holders NGC hasn't noted any cleaning, damage, or other problems but PCGS seems to be finding issues (or just disagreeing broadly on grading, which I have learned may definitely be the case for the 76-CC). But how is this not minimum AU?   Theories for this coin? Should I crack it out? I'm trying to learn at this point but without any PCGS feedback on why they're not crossing, makes it tough! Thanks all. Edited by ntwdc
01/25/2023 09:27 am
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You are still asking for an upgrade from AU Details to AU 50. I recently purchased a NGC 1876 S Trade dollar that graded chop mark details, when I got the coin in hand it was obviously cleaned, but NGC did not note the cleaning on the label. When you send in a NGC chop mark details to PCGS, you are asking PCGS to sort out the coin's problems through plastic. |
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Thanks Slider- I definitely took this for granted. To me the "upgrade" should have been a gimme since NGC relegates chop marks to the Details grades while PCGS does not. So absent any other defects noted by NGC (NGC holders also regularly note "Details Chopmarked, Cleaned" or "Details Chopmarked, Environmental Damage") it seemed to me that an NGC Details Chopmarked coin ought to cross without much fuss.
The adage buy the coin not the holder is ringing in my ears...
Appreciate the community's feedback. I'm learning a lot.
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01/25/2023 12:24 pm
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Maybe you should submit without specifying a crossover? Seems like then you would know. You already have an AU Details coin so getting the same from PCGS with something besides Chopmarked isn't a big difference, is it? You're trying to force them to give you a straight grade but when they don't, you don't know why. Yes, NGC has graded them chopmarked and also scratched, repaired, cleaned, etc, but we don't know if they've always done that or changed at some point (ask them?). You're hedging your bets with these crossovers and I'm not sure why. I would just have them grade it and take what you get.
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Fair enough! Ultimately my goal is for straight grades for a registry set so my hedge was that if I received a PCGS details coin I'd end up needing to sell and replace it, and might have an easier time doing so in the original NGC holder without whatever flaws (or simply lower grades) PCGS might be picking up on. You're right I have no idea how long they've been adding multiple details notes. I'm definitely naive on this.
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01/25/2023 1:32 pm
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There are some photos of crossed NGC chop marked that crossed to PCGS in a PCGS thread. A 1874 S NGC UNC details chop marked crossed at AU55 and a 1873 CC NGC AU details chop marked crossed at XF40. Both of these coins that crossed were conversely down graded by PCGS. It appears best to crack out the NGC chop mark details coin, than to try and cross into a straight grade.
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Extremely helpful, thanks Slider! I also just got the above 78-S NGC AU Details Chopmarked T$ back from PCGS in the mail and was actually very pleased to see that they rubber banded a paper label to the returned NGC holder stating "Do Not Holder - Cleaned". So they did provide a reason after all! The 76-CC that I started this thread with did not have a reason on the paper label when it was returned to me - I think it just said DNC. My submission with the 78-S also included a 77-S that came back "Do Not Holder - Environmental Damage" which I am not surprised to see. Anyhow very glad to have this information.
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01/30/2023 11:02 am
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Buying NGC Trade dollars with chop mark details is a slippery slope if you are trying to get a straight graded coin. Most collectors know that PCGS will straight grade a chop mark Trade dollar, so the quality problem free Trade dollar chops would be sent to PCGS. Since 2003 PCGS has been straight grading chops, so there would have been plenty of time to cherry pick the best NGC chop mark holders. A lot of the NGC details chop mark examples have cleaning hair line issues. There are still some quality NGC chop mark details holders out there, but it appears that NCG did not scrutinize the chop mark details holders to be sold as problem free examples. |
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