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You Vs. ICG, 1887-P Morgan Dollar

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 Posted 01/10/2023  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list
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 Posted 01/10/2023  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
with paralyse not much more to add which he didn't say already. I am wondering which ICG era this is from early (Colorado) or after it sold and moved to Florida?

EDIT: As to the VAM not sure about the 3A either likely a VAM 12A or the elusive 1B earlier die state? If the 1B then congrats on a heck of a find.
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 Posted 01/10/2023  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list
Interesting guesses so far... Not VAM 3A...

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 Posted 01/10/2023  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list
Looks like perhaps a VAM-12.
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 Posted 01/11/2023  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Some evidence of wear on hair over Lib's ear, her cheek also a bit marked up as well.
Attractive luster in fields.
AU-55,
reverse better, appears to be MS+ in these pics.
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 Posted 01/11/2023  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smat45 to your friends list
MS-63
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 Posted 01/11/2023  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
shes a tad weak for an 87(P) which should be sharp and bold on both sides. weak around the ears and feathers on the breast are not as defined as they should be. does this affect grade? not a whole lot.

glare from lighting especially the obv is too much and not giving us an accurate read of the surfaces. based on the obv photos it appears that the luster is broken especially across the cheek area. I think there are also more marks on the jaw, neck and left field than what we are seeing here.

I'm not convinced this one is unc. I'm assuming these are not your photos. if thats the case repost here when you get it. there is also hints of a light dipping using these photos. if you do have it either take photos without overhead or direct lighting and repost otherwise I'm calling it a slider at AU58.
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 Posted 01/11/2023  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list
These are my photos and I do not have a very ideal lighting setup at the moment. It is kinda hard to photograph thru a plastic holder, at least for me. I can try again later today when I am not too busy...
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 Posted 01/11/2023  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psuman08 to your friends list
I think with these images it is a 58. Try the AU-58 paper test, http://www.vamworld.com/forum/viewt...?f=4&t=6963. All credit to Messydesk at VAMworld for this.
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 Posted 01/11/2023  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdavis18 to your friends list
I'm in the AU58 camp with some slight rub in the hair.

Seeing VAM12. Nice find!
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 Posted 01/11/2023  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list
Ok, time for the big reveal:
It is indeed a vam-12A (top 100) because of the clashing. I spotted the alligator eye and since I was on vamworld, that was an easy confirm. Apparently this variety is popular and can be found in high grades such as mine.
ICG gave it a MS-65!
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Note, as to the grading, the reverse pulls up on the overall level of marks, and I can see why they gave it a 65. I kinda might want to send it into PCGS and see what they think.
Personal grade of mine is MS-64+

For the longest time I too thought what looked to be light wear on Morgan dollars obverse was actually how the coin is supposed to look like...
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01/11/2023 10:31 pm
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 Posted 01/11/2023  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
The obverse pulls this coin down.
With the favorable grading, I would be keen to sell it.
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01/11/2023 11:33 pm
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 Posted 01/12/2023  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
no way the coin is MS65. if it is UNC the best this coin could ever see is MS63 . I still think its a slider but glare is problem here.
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 Posted 01/12/2023  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ericgreen to your friends list
Definitely not MS-65. Based on the last full slab photo, I am in agreement with panzaldi, I lean towards slider now.
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 Posted 01/12/2023  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Looks like an AU-58 slider.
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