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nothing is 100% but 80% is a lot better than 50%.
"Aim for perfection and you will catch excellence". Vince Lombardi
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01/20/2023 06:14 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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All things considered I think the Mint does a pretty good job. Error coins are rare, not commonplace.  |
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New Member
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they are pretty common everyone foaming at the mouth waiting 2023 rolls to start flowing.
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Pillar of the Community
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We all seemingly have a foaming point
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@jj4, you will see that I have lightly edited a couple of your posts. Passionate discourse is fine, but you must remain polite and avoid dragging in politics. This is a place for discussing numismatics.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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I don't believe the mint ever strived to make 100% perfect coins. They work those dies to "death" to get the most coins possible. A coin with some die deteriation, Machine Doubling, etc. spends just as well as the first coin struck from a particular die. Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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Keep in mind the dies are polished several times during their lives. (This makes the devices thinner) Also as the die age, they spread towards the rim direction. Thus the devices become closer. Even the master hub can show swelling and create dies that normally look like that, that are passed down on the chain of command. Note the obverses on the 1968 cents. All the obverses even proofs are showing the same affect, throwing the devices into the rim areas. So this happens as master hubs, master dies, working hubs and working dies age.  So always compare coins with the same year/mints to see if this is a common die event, or a top down through all the hubs and die issues? Using different years are not a real gauge of what happened different years. Hope this helps. |
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I imagine that you can notice that with the naked eye. Many inspections are done that way or with a low power loupe, if any at all. It probably just flew through with no more than a couple of seconds review - if any. Maybe they just let them go through because they wanted to or had to due to an older Hub. They know how we like "error" coins. However, that's probably not the case.
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01/20/2023 12:14 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Henry Ford would strongly disagree with you and he invented mass production. Mass production enhances quality. FWIW, Henry Ford did not invent mass production. In the late 18th and early 19th century the British Navy was cranking out mass produced ship parts at a high rate of speed. It is generally credited as being one of the reasons they were able to out-produce Napoleon and gain and hold their numerical advantage at sea. As to mass production enhancing quality, your own complaints defeat that argument. Is there any other item more mass produced than the US Cent? 1984 alone saw more than 13,000,000 made, and yet here we are talking about their poor quality. |
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why would they try to be perfect? the increase in cost would be substantial. what they are making already passes muster.
across any large scale production there will be variance in the product. equipment ages. people do people stuff. this is why tolerances exist.
you can demonstrate this concept to yourself easily. try and make a dozen chocolate chip cookies that are of identical weight. try and fill 20 ziplock bags with identical weight and quantity of potato ships. the level of precision you are asking for is a waste of time and therefore money.
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Valued Member
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I'm going to take the middle of the road on this topic. Quality is in the eye of the customer. I've had proof coins from the mint with errors on them. I also understand that circulation coins in high volume will always result in imperfections. While I understand the mint's tolerance for errors, I am a believer in the quality process. First, anyone should be free to identify errors in the minting process. Second, root cause error removal (if appropriate), so you aren't repeating your mistakes. Lastly, continuous improvement. Never stop reaching for better results. It becomes a matter of degree of perfection. I'd like to see the U.S. Mint as the standard that all mints aspire to regarding quality.
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Finality is death. Perfection is finality. Nothing is perfect. There are lumps in it.
James Stephens So JJ if the mint coins will be perfect, will be the death of the Mint and the Death of the coins. About the Mint Director: Him it is an employee of the Reserve and report also to the Congress. Him do not take decisions on his believe or dreams him is in charge to apply the received orders and as any order: This must be execute and not discuss. |
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I have a feeling that JJ44 left this "hammer and sickle" Forum...  |
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@jj44 is on permanent vacation from CCF. I'm going to lock this thread too as it seems to have run its course.  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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