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2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)

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 Posted 01/26/2023  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aliabeans to your friends list
Sorry PCGS#407878 198,000,00 Denver Presidency Pennys 2.5 Grams 95% Zinc
PCGS#407884 Is the Satin Finish 3.11Gram Copper Denver Minted Prssidency with 784K made
PCGS#407899 Is the Presidency Sanfrancisco Proofs weighing 3.11 gram

I am finding some small errors when on other web pages especially with heritage auctions

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 Posted 01/26/2023  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list
Heres what I have first on the mintages: Did you know there are differences in the circulated and uncirculated composition of these 2009 Lincoln cents? The circulating version of these coins uses the same metal content as other modern cents (2.5 percent copper, the rest zinc) weight 2.5g. The uncirculated version contains the metals used in the original 1909 cent (95 percent copper, 5 percent tin and zinc). The four 2009-S Proof Lincoln Cent designs and the satin finish Lincoln cents in the 2009 Uncirculated Set were struck from 95% pure copper—the first time Lincoln cents had been made of copper since 1982. Weight 3.11g. PCGS designates these examples with a SP grade (instead of MS or PF).

In 2009, the United States Mint issued four different pennies as part of the Lincoln Bicentennial One Cent Program. The program recognized not only of the 200th anniversary of Abraham Lincoln's birth, but also the 100th anniversary of the Lincoln Cent, first appearing in 1909. The themes on the reverses represent the four major aspects of Lincoln's life:
See this link for images: https://www.usmint.gov/learn/coin-a...ial-one-cent
Birth and Early Childhood in Kentucky (1809-1816)
Formative Years in Indiana (1816-1830)
Professional Life in Illinois (1830-1861)
Presidency in Washington, D.C. (1861-1865)


The Mint has the authority to issue collector's versions of the coins in the original composition of 95% copper and 5% tin and zinc.

There were 2,995,615 Proof Sets made in 2009. The proof 2009 Lincoln Cent designs were struck with a mirror finish in the fields with frosted features. They were struck on solid 95% copper bronze planchets, just like the original 1909 Lincoln Cent. The proof 2009-S Lincoln cents were only available in the 18-coin 2009 Proof Set, made at the San Francisco Mint. In addition to the four proof 2009 Lincoln cents, each set contained four proof Presidential dollar coins, one proof Sacagawea dollar coin, six proof State Quarter designs, one proof dime, one proof nickel, and one proof Kennedy half dollar.

784,614 Uncirculated mint sets were produced in 2009.

The satin-finish 2009 Lincoln cents were only issued as part of the 2009 Uncirculated coin sets. These sets used special burnished dies to give a satin finish to the fields on each coin. The 2009 Uncirculated coin set comprised 36 coins, double the number in the Proof sets. These sets featured all 18 coin designs and denominations issued in 2009 for both the Philadelphia and Denver Mints.

Birthplace
Philadelphia Denver Total
284,400,000 350,400,000 634,800,000
Formative Years
376,000,000 363,600,000 739,600,000
Professional Life
316,000,000 336,000,000 652,000,000
Presidency
129,600,000 198,000,000 327,600,000
Totals
1,106,000,000 1,248,000,000 2,345,600,000
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01/26/2023 10:35 pm
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 Posted 01/27/2023  12:17 am  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list

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I have a business strike Presidency penny weighing 3.2 grams its not a satin finish and its not a proof


So there has been speculation that transitional errors might exist for the 2009 year. You can post a pic of your coin to see if others feel its a satin put into circulation or a circulation heavier within tolerance. Otherwise if not see page 14 of the strike it rich with pocket change 5th edition book and perhaps might reach out to him after posting here as he describes what to look for such as the wrong planchets meant for one of those types like the satin or proof possibly going to the wrong press for a circulation strike, or used in a different year before or after 2009. In other words what you are describing finding say a business strike with a satin finish weight but no satin finish might exist but noone knows about it to look until it was put into that book and that would be an amazing find for the first who has one.
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01/27/2023 12:21 am
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 Posted 01/27/2023  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aliabeans to your friends list
Ok so here are the 4 Presidency Pennys I have which one do you think is the one that weighs 3.2 Grams and is supposed to be one of the 780,614 (or whatever that number was) of The Special Satin made 3.2 Gram Special Copper Composition of 95% copper 3%Tin 2% Zinc. We Obviously can tell none of these are any of the almost 3,000,000 3.2 Gram Proof Ones Made from San Francisco

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 Posted 01/27/2023  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aliabeans to your friends list
Will it be the 1st set of 4 pictures the 2nd set the 3rd set or maybe the 4th set of 4 pictures I'll post the answer with a picture shortly.
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 Posted 01/27/2023  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aliabeans to your friends list
Here are pictures of the reverses of 2 of the darker Presidency pennys and as you can see one of them is 3 Grams
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 Posted 01/27/2023  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Please post your images right side up.

I fixed all the images in your last post, but you've been posting sideways images for a while.
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 Posted 01/27/2023  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aliabeans to your friends list
Here are all 4 of my Presidnency Lincoln Pennies, none of the positions of the pennies of been switched so the same order you see the front, when I turn them over to show you the reverse, the reverses are all in the same order. Whats really wierd is all of the other reverses, for example the child hood or his formative years they all do the same thing the all seem to have different color and toning to the front. Anyhow when I went to the coin shop and looked at a Satin finish Presidnency Penny and then sprawled my 4 out I totally picked the wrong one. Anyhow fingers crossed I got lucky and found an actual Planchet error. I can't see why someone would open a 2 penny set to take the 2 pennies out and then spend them lol thats the only way the Satin Finish Pennies went out all 784,614 ? I think (loosely lol) And should my Penny have had been removed from its 2pc special mint set and then set free into the world and then somehow lost its "Satin Finish" which from all the coin places I went to all said the coin would have to be really beat up to loose its Satin Finish. So with all that said A)PCGS and the like need to fix their numbers and verbiage when grading these coins you cannot have a 2.5 Gram Satin Finish Copper coin weighing 2.5 Grams with a composition of 95% Copper and 5%Tin and Zinc Nor can you Have a Satin Finish Business Strike Presidnency Penny weighing 2.5 Grams with the composition being 95%Zinc and 5%Copper and Tin you can only have a Business Strike. Thank you all for your help and I will check back in a little later and see if I should reach out to whoever that guy was on page 13? Ill have to re read a few comments back. Sorry one more thing I am wondering If PCGS really did grade a Presidency Penny weighing 2.5 Grams with a Satin Finish AND IT ACTUALLY HAD A COMPOSITION of 95%Copper and 5%Xinc and Tin as shown in that picture from Herritage Auction? Something tells me since that same number on PCGS's website had the correct info I wonder why on Hermitage Website it was different? Anyhow thanks again! Hope I've helped 🙏; even if its a little my eyes are bleeding with how much reading I've done the last few days making sure I wasn't going to sound like a complete idiot and making sure I had actual facts to show you all lol. Oh and which was your choice for the 3 Gram Satin Finish out of the 4 shown?
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 Posted 01/27/2023  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aliabeans to your friends list
If you Picked #2 You were correct....
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So Should I send it in ? Or just consider myself lucky to have found 1 of 784,614 of these 3 2 Gram Copper Pennies #128518; Fingers Crossed It fooled enough of you Ill get the vote to send it in, that said I've seen pictures of what PCGS considers Satin and Business Strike and I think I've got a fair chance of confusing them once they fix the numbers. Thanks again all I've learned tons from you all and I guess this was my little moment to shine so to speak.....now I'll go back to the back of the line and keep learning other stuff lol
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 Posted 01/27/2023  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aliabeans to your friends list
Here are 2 actual pictures of The Presidency Reverse on the Lincoln Penny. Of which the only 3.2 Gram Presidnency Pennies made of 95% Copper. The PROOF and the SATIN FINISH PENNIES.
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 Posted 01/27/2023  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
Do you think you have an MS69? Is worth 70$ at high. Free to do if you want a confirmation for your believes, but you lost money. Facebook is good 10 minus % not more.
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 Posted 01/28/2023  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aliabeans to your friends list
No I dont think I have an MS69? What I guess I poorly conveyed was A) A PCGS # on Herritage auction showed a copper penny with a 2009 Satin Finish Presidnency Penny with a composition of 95% copper 5% tin and zinc BUT with a weight of 2.5 Grams which they didn't make. They only made approximately 780,614 2009 Satin Finish 3.2 Gram 2009 Pennys with the composition of 95% Copper and 5% Tin and Zinc. All of the other approximately 2,990,000 3.2 Gram 2009 Presidential Pennies with the same copper composition were only from the Sanfrancisco Mint which were proofs. That said when I took my 4 2009 Pennies into local coin shops and asked them if they thought any of my 4 were Satin Finish Pennies they all said no. When I asked if its possible that a Satin Finish could be lossed from the penny they all said essentially the same thing yes but not likely and it would have to be pretty hammered. Then when I told them one of those 4 (Shown in the pictures I posted here) weighed 3.2 Grams and was copper it boggled them all. Then when they looked in Red Book and other places online they said there were millions of regular business strike 2009 pennies weighing 3.2 Grams having that composition. Which is not true. So that's why I posted everything and said everything I did on here. When I find the PCGS Picture of a 2009 Satin Finish Penny weighing 2.5 Grams with a composition of 95%copper and 5%tin amd zinc ill post it here. Everything that I've read on the Lincoln resource page including the act of congress part, it all clearly stated that ONLY the 2009 special limited satin finish sets of which only approximately 780,000 were made would A)Have the Satin Finish B)Weigh 3.2 Grams and C)Be made of the special copper composition of 95% copper and 5%Tin and Zinc (Making those pennies in the set each as rare 2ND to the 1909 S VDB Lincoln Penny) The only other pennies made with that same copper composition would be the approximately 2,990,000 Proof Pennies they made which would bare the Sanfrancisco Mint mark obviously. ALL of the the other 2009 Lincoln pennies made would be regular business stuck and have the composition of 95% Zinc and 5%Copper and Tin. So when I found my 3.2 Gram 2009 Penny it threw me off, when I researched it thats when I went into coin shops and asked if a Satin Finish could be losses OR if any of them thought any of my 4 were a Satin Finish they all said no. So thats why I came here. Thats why I posted the pictures etc etc.
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 Posted 01/28/2023  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aliabeans to your friends list
Either way it ends up for me finding a penny that only has approximately 780K others like it in this nice of a condition I think is a cool find especially when its 2nd place in lowest mintage to the 1909 S VDB. So when local coin shop people tell me doing a blind Satin Finisb Test if you will, on pretty darn good conditioned 2009 Presidency Series Pennies that no NONE OF THEM ARE and then I throw them the curve ball and they weigh it.... I thought it was worth yalls time.
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 Posted 01/28/2023  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
@ Aliabeans: You compare SP coins with circulation? LOL. What you can say about 2008 satin finish less then 2009? I think you has to go back to the basic of the coins manufacture and theirs concept.

You want to prove you find a rarity? A coin took out from a set and release in the wild? No it is not a rarity, it is just a Impaired SP coin. You has all the best answers here for your coin and your look for.

Your coin it is not a rarity, it is not a grail, but is good to fulfill a hole in the years collection.

PS: Your state about the metallic composition of the Penny and Cent is wrong.
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01/28/2023 10:10 pm
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