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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Better pics if you want grade opinion.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'd pass on this. Bad pedigree.
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Moderator
 United States
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I'm not a fan of toning on high grade coins at all, this would be a big pass for me..  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Would need to see the reverse. As far as toning goes, I'm leaning toward 'natural', not deliberate, human-assisted toning.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I think MS-62, - too much chatter to be graded higher.
I would agree that this coin is naturally toned.
Toning most probably acquired by being wrapped in bleached white paper. Such a theory opens the debate as to
if it is artificially toned or not.
My personal problem is that if in MS grades with good luster,
I prefer my silver coins to be blast white.
That is the condition closest to what they were in, when they originally left the coining press.
If, in hindsight, you bought them at a price that you are happy with, that is OK.
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Moderator
United States
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I prefer my silver coins to be blast white.
That is the condition closest to what they were in, when they originally left the coining press. yep! my sentiments exactly. |
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Valued Member
United States
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I for one like toning but I generally won't pay extra for it. The coin in the picture has nice toning. I like it. Looks original to me.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't ever recall seeing PCI holders that looked like that. This must have been towards the end of the company.
Can you show us the back of the coin and slab? Thanks!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7625 Posts |
Based on the updated pics: In my opinion the toning is "ok" but the grading is way off by 2 to 3 points. No way it is a 64. That style of slab appears to be the last generation they have used. It, along with their loose grading standards, probably helped lead them to the black hole of grading where they got sucked in to oblivion.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
5400 Posts |
No such thing as artificial v natural toning .
Correct usage .. Market acceptable toning .as deemed
by the Lord Gods at the Grading services ( PCGS / NGC) .
Buy the coin not the holder . This PCI piece , likely 60/62 in my opinion.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The coin was blast white when it entered the holder, now it has PCI toning. Some swifty marketers would call this beautiful monster toning, I would call it ugly. Grade wise, I am at 61 or 62. Can't pass up a good deal even if the coin is ugly!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Since there is no toning on the reverse I suspect it was like this when it went into the slab. I'd guess the PCI graders bumped up the numerical grade from 61/62 to 64 due to the toning. Others may have different opinions.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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From what I have seen the toning on the PCI holders do tone on both sides. The toning on the OP example does appear to be market acceptable regardless of holder toning or pre-holder toning. See PCI toning example below:   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7625 Posts |
Love those old PCI holders. Definitely has market acceptable toning (from the holder) on both sides along with spot-on grading at MS64. Lovely coin that is aging nicely!
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Nice eye appeal just for now.
But it won't stay that way.
Beautiful toning is delicate and unstable, and it will loose eye appeal over time.
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