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This make me wonder if a type 1 blank would even fit into the collar and if it did, what would the rim actually look like/
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I think the OP is referring to type 1 and type 2 blank planchets. Type 1 being without upset rims and type 2 after it went through the upsetting mill, not the finished type 1 and 2 coins.
Ah, yes, I forgot about the 'blank vs planchet' . Blanks that have not been upset are type one blanks, and upset blanks are type 2 planchets.
This make me wonder if a type 1 blank would even fit into the collar and if it did, what would the rim actually look like/ Heres all the info I have. When the rims are upset, the blank officially becomes a planchet. That's the state during which the coin is ordinarily struck by a die to become a coin. So unless someone threw it in there, type 1 (blank coins without an upset rim) would never be normally struck in that state. Type I blanks are characterized by a completely flat planchet. Type II blanks have been run through the edge rollers to give a slightly raised edge to the blank planchet. General: Before having their rims raised in the "upsetting" machine coin blanks are known as Type 1 planchets. These are blanks that never make it through the preparatory process. They have rough edges and depending on what stage of manufacture they were in before escaping the mint, they may be off-color or have a grainy appearance. If they're smooth and shiny, chances are they're counterfeits used as slugs to fool vending machines. Occasionally a finished planchet may not make it to the coin press or be ejected without being struck. These blanks will have a raised rim from the upsetting machine but will not have the coin design stamped on them. These are called Type 2 planchets since they've been through the first phase of production. Blank planchet errors are categorized 2 ways: Blank coin without an upset rim (Type 1) Planchet (with a raised rim) (Type 2) Edited by datadragon
05/14/2023 1:04 pm
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Easy to put it is Type 1 = blank and Type 2 - planchet.
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I would not call it an error, but it is a blank planchet. I would stand to be corrected, but I also think that a blank silver planchet would rated at somewhere between very scarce and rare. For a standard US Mint silver ASE planchet to have escaped suggests to me some sort of 'inside job' clandestine activity, due to the fact that they are only found slabbed. After a coin has been slabbed, it cannot be investigated further, without breaking th slab. Let's hope that Westminster Mint, or ICG, or whoever they are, have properly investigated these blank planchets before slabbing. |
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Huh? "For a standard US Mint silver ASE planchet to have escaped suggests to me some sort of 'inside job' clandestine activity, due to the fact that they are only found slabbed." The mint doesn't slab ANYTHING. Proof ASEs are sold to collectors in capsules. The mint sells bullion ASEs to the authorized purchasers in boxes of 500 tubed in lots of 20. -----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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Well it is an error, when it leaves the mint un-struck.
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Basic we have two scenarios:
1. If it is Blank (before milling) it is an insider job.
2. If it is Planchet (after milling) could pass with striking coins, so will be an error. Also here for that time when the coins was struck one by one with press operator for each coin, hard to believe could pass.
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Well it is an error, when it leaves the mint un-struck. Well I would consider it theft if one ounce of .999% silver 'walked' out of the mint, if anything. and if 400 of them walked out, well then Hmmm...   |
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There was only one known hoard of only 400 prior to 2007 which were released by the US Mint in error,
Well I would consider it theft if one ounce of .999% silver 'walked' out of the mint, if anything. and if 400 of them walked out, well then Hmmm. The image I posted above just has the basic info on the 400 horde but not how they got out of the mint. Back in 2009 apparent a few may have been cracked out and sent to PCGS and perhaps got a MS61, but PCGS told Fred Weinberg at least they would only certify it as a commemorative silver dollar. So that may explain at least a few being PCGS graded. Not sure if others are out there as mentioned besides the 400 being that they are silver planchets, and if anything has changed regarding PCGS/ngc re-grading of them. Just sharing the basic info I had found on a brief initial look. https://boards.ngccoin.com/topic/14...agle-4-sale/Edited by datadragon
05/15/2023 7:18 pm
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This goes beyond what I really collect, but especially in this era, 10+ years ago, wouldn't commemorative dollars be 90% silver not .999? Weight would be different.
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Correct. ASEs were 1 troy ounce (31.1g) of 0.999 fine, and commemorative were 26.73g of 0.900 fine. It would have been easy to tell them apart.
Today, not so much. I think the 2018 WW1 and Breast Cancer commems were the last 0.900 fine. The Apollo 11 in 2019 was the first 0.999 commem.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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Hopefully this works, just figured out this app to reduce the file size, all new stuff to me. If it's something I really want to do, I'll figure it out. Picture is probably not good enough to tell, but in the first pic I'm showing it along side a 2011S Uncirculated. Second pic I am just trying to show the reflectiveness of the planchet field, note my fingers holding the phone.    Edited by Gilly
05/21/2023 10:27 am
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It is hard to tell anything from these images. The glare and the focus needs a little work.
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It is hard to tell anything from these images. The glare and the focus needs a little work. Oh man, don't I know it! I really love your photography skills with coins. Mine just suck with my cellphone camera. Wish I could do a better job. On the pics I just posted, I was able to zoom in on my phone and see the date and mint mark tho. |
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