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Well, please come back to this topic when you have the coin in hand and post new images.
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Slightly better detail on the RPD. What is going on with the "8" ? More images in about a week. 
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Yeah, I asked about that 8 - It can't be a re-punch - I can't think why it would be anything other than an 8 in that position. maybe a circulation hit a long time ago?
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Quote:Well I read something today (a few minutes ago) about 'Longacre's Doubling' Which what you might have on your coin. https://www.error-ref.com/longacre-s-doubling/ I posted this above, I'm not sure you saw it as you never commented on it, but here it is again. Longacre's doubling is what you see on the shield.
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Yes, thanks, I did read about that. I've not seen another IHC with this much doubling above the shield, though. I'm guessing Machine Doubling on the wreaths, but when I've seen that it's only on one side of the device, not both. Wouldn't make any difference to me if the coin was not cleaned, but for slightly over $50 I'm afraid I'll have to send it back. Disappointment.
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The more I read about Longacre doubling, the more I'm not at all sure that's what the shield doubling is. Longacre doubling is usually (but not always) on legends and not design elements. Read this for more info: http://numissociety.com/content.php...A-discussionNote the Longacre doubling on the CN IHC pictured and compare it to the shield doubling on the 1890 IHC. Longacre doubling usually surrounds the letters, as on the 1860. On the 1890, it's only above the shield and isn't as sharply defined. Comments and input welcome. Trying to decide whether to send this coin back.  
Edited by Blastenpene4 05/19/2023 08:45 am
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This from Strike Doubling Flyer by J. T. Stanton. Note that Longacre doubling surrounds the letters. 
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Thanks Blast, I didn't see that article. It sheds more light on this..
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Torn about keeping the coin. If it weren't cleaned it'd be a no brainer. The reverse interests me with the deep strike/ odd Machine Doubling on the wreaths. Also something going on at the bottom of the shield. It's like there's material pushed up from the field under it. Never seen that before.
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Kind of wondering if it's Longacre doubling on the wreaths instead of Machine Doubling. From what I've been reading, I would expect Machine Doubling to go to one side or the other on the wreaths, not both. Not trying to belabor this subject (I know, already too late for that!) but I just can't decide whether to keep it or not.
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Because the theories about Longacre doubling involve punches, and the shield and wreath were engraved and not punched, I don't think you could call it Longacre doubling. The coin definitely has some on the obverse legend though.
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The obverse I pictured in my example is from a different coin to illustrate what Longacre doubling looks like. I'm not sure what it is on the wreaths. Machine Doubling would only go off in one direction, as I understand it. Both wreaths show some sort of doubling on both sides. The shape of the doubled areas don't exactly match the shape of the wreath. See CU detail and focus on the top of the wreaths. On the shield, seems like if it were a late die state there would be other elements showing similar effects. I'm out of my depth (which is about knee deep) on this, but it's interesting. 
Edited by Blastenpene4 05/20/2023 1:45 pm
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