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1890 RPD And Possible Doubling On Shield

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 Posted 05/15/2023  07:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list
Slightly better detail on the RPD. What is going on with the "8" ? More images in about a week.
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 Posted 05/15/2023  07:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
Yeah, I asked about that 8 - It can't be a re-punch - I can't think why it would be anything other than an 8 in that position. maybe a circulation hit a long time ago?
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 Posted 05/18/2023  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list
Well, gents, looks like I'm again the victim of inaccurate pictures. The coin arrived today. No sign of any RPD that I can discern. The reverse still interests me, however. Appears to show what I guess is Machine Doubling on both sides of the wreaths, but the doubling above the shield has depth to it - not all the same color like I'd think Machine Doubling would have. Die appears to be worn as it appears that "ONE" has been reworked a bit to the north. Really wish this weren't cleaned, but what can you do. Didn't take it out of the 2x2 since I may send it back. I'm into it for $52, but can return without issue. Very disappointed about the date, but what do you guys think about the reverse?
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 Posted 05/18/2023  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list

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Well I read something today (a few minutes ago) about 'Longacre's Doubling' Which what you might have on your coin.
https://www.error-ref.com/longacre-s-doubling/


I posted this above, I'm not sure you saw it as you never commented on it, but here it is again. Longacre's doubling is what you see on the shield.
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 Posted 05/19/2023  05:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list
Yes, thanks, I did read about that. I've not seen another IHC with this much doubling above the shield, though. I'm guessing Machine Doubling on the wreaths, but when I've seen that it's only on one side of the device, not both. Wouldn't make any difference to me if the coin was not cleaned, but for slightly over $50 I'm afraid I'll have to send it back. Disappointment.
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 Posted 05/19/2023  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list
The more I read about Longacre doubling, the more I'm not at all sure that's what the shield doubling is. Longacre doubling is usually (but not always) on legends and not design elements. Read this for more info: http://numissociety.com/content.php...A-discussion

Note the Longacre doubling on the CN IHC pictured and compare it to the shield doubling on the 1890 IHC. Longacre doubling usually surrounds the letters, as on the 1860. On the 1890, it's only above the shield and isn't as sharply defined. Comments and input welcome. Trying to decide whether to send this coin back.

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 Posted 05/19/2023  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list
This from Strike Doubling Flyer by J. T. Stanton. Note that Longacre doubling surrounds the letters.
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 Posted 05/19/2023  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
I agree that it's not Longacre doubling. I'm thinking Die Deterioration Doubling.
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 Posted 05/19/2023  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list
Torn about keeping the coin. If it weren't cleaned it'd be a no brainer. The reverse interests me with the deep strike/ odd Machine Doubling on the wreaths. Also something going on at the bottom of the shield. It's like there's material pushed up from the field under it. Never seen that before.
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 Posted 05/19/2023  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list
Kind of wondering if it's Longacre doubling on the wreaths instead of Machine Doubling. From what I've been reading, I would expect Machine Doubling to go to one side or the other on the wreaths, not both. Not trying to belabor this subject (I know, already too late for that!) but I just can't decide whether to keep it or not.
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 Posted 05/20/2023  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
Because the theories about Longacre doubling involve punches, and the shield and wreath were engraved and not punched, I don't think you could call it Longacre doubling. The coin definitely has some on the obverse legend though.
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 Posted 05/20/2023  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blastenpene4 to your friends list
The obverse I pictured in my example is from a different coin to illustrate what Longacre doubling looks like.

I'm not sure what it is on the wreaths. Machine Doubling would only go off in one direction, as I understand it. Both wreaths show some sort of doubling on both sides. The shape of the doubled areas don't exactly match the shape of the wreath. See CU detail and focus on the top of the wreaths. On the shield, seems like if it were a late die state there would be other elements showing similar effects. I'm out of my depth (which is about knee deep) on this, but it's interesting.

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