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Are you simply showing us the coin or asking us to grade it? John1  |
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Very nice! Agree it's very tough to photograph proofs like this. The light cabinet friction marks on the obverse might be why it got a 61. Great looking specimen!
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More for show John1. The comments on friction marks and scratches explain the grade. Low and sub MS proofs sell for a fraction of mid and high MS, but the appearance is good enough to satisfy me.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Understood, so I will not move it to the grading section. Very nice coin to add to anyones' collection  John1 |
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Oh my! Amazing coin and amazing piece of history. Thanks for sharing |
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thq, that is an absolute stunner!
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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A beauty !
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Fantastic example! |
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The obverse has some scratches (die polishing?).
Those are grade limiting hairlines. Hairlines will even appear on 65 and up examples. It depends on number, severity, depth & location when assigning a grade. Looking at the sellers photograph of the coin and your photograph I would say you have a solid coin for the grade. Congratulations.
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12/24/2023 7:57 pm
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Thanks Everest. Since getting the 1859 I'lve looked at PF60's that are covered with hairlines. I've also looked at some of the very rare and expensive high grade early proofs (1840-1857). Most of them have poor appearance, from mottling to black color.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Why do you think it got a 61? It looks far better than that is these images. I would guessed PF65.
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Obverse hairlines and friction. The grading standards for proofs are different from regular issue. The coins have none of the usual bagmarks. As for appearance, I've observed over the years that the grading services don't care how good or bad a coin looks. They don't even care whether a coin is well struck. They're counting marks.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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12/25/2023 10:14 am
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