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Moderator
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well this coin is a bit underweight - it should weigh 419.76 grains or 27.2g
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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They should have given a basic general reason why it failed to slab, without giving any of their detection secrets away.
I find that somewhat disappointing.
Some of us are offering some detailed reasons why, and that is good,
but why can't NGC offer a basic general reason?
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Pillar of the Community
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well this coin is a bit underweight - it should weigh 419.76 grains or 27.2g It's only 0.4% underweight, well within tolerance. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The raised bumps in the obverse fields do not look good. The rim photo shows the coin as being too thick but that might be just the angle. Getting the weight correct means some are too thick. There are questionable details on the devices as well.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
04/05/2024 11:59 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Even with my imagination these do not appear the same to my eyes; close though for sure...  They do appear to match on the 2 NGC subject examples:  I would have thought this a good marker as well...  I was able to acquire this one and should have it in hand for closer inspection next week. Edited by burfle23
04/06/2024 05:55 am
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United States
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Thanks for posting the new images - I'm no expert on these so I'll wait for the ones in the know to respond here.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Indisputably matching depression on all three, clear in the respective pics:  Edited by realeswatcher
04/06/2024 10:38 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Coin is in hand; scratches do NOT match:  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Coin is in hand; scratches do NOT match: Are you convinced the coin is a counterfeit after viewing in hand? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Slider23, I am still reviewing and comparing to a genuine example. There are surface lumps on this one I do not like; also took some edge images. I will say it has some of the nicest toning I have seen on a fake.     |
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United States
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If it were genuine, what could explain the surface lumps? A rusted die?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Back from my long-time local coin shop; "coin" tested at 98% silver.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Coin is in hand; scratches do NOT match But this still does... |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Some better pics/additional definite examples of the NGC article fake would be helpful to assess what sort of artificial handling, die touch-up, etc. is going on here. Burfle (or others), have you seen/found any others?
Regardless, it should be noted that this is a fairly deceptive apparent fake and relying on matching markers to a known fake is essentially taking the easy way out when trying to authenticate. And on the flip side, see how a little bit of die touch-up/contact marks to mask/change flaws can sow seeds of doubt when comparing?
All part of why there's always been a debate about just how specifically observed "tells" should be discussed publicly...
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