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Personally I love that kind of toning. It shows it hasn't been cleaned or dipped. All original.
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Your first photo shows that the reverse field reflects readable print. Whether it's PL, DPL or DMPL the coin shows prooflike characteristics. Morgans with cartwheel luster don't do that.
Proof coins don't have bag marks like prooflike coins do. Someone on another thread commented on a PL picture, saying it looked like Liberty had been in a cat fight. The appearance of the obverse determines a prooflike coin's value, though all of them are worth substantially more than regular strikes.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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04/10/2024 08:46 am
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Well here we go. She makes Donatella V look mint Om the rev pics you can se that half of the coin is lighter, its my mobile reflecting. The obv reflect much light when I turn here thru a lightsource. As you can see on the pokemon shoot even the area infront of nose reflects. But you don't se that on photo from above     |
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It's hard for me to tell if the obverse is PL from the pictures but I love the toning! I'd buy it if I saw it.
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p Well its a love lr hate coin  Kä I finally managed to cspture mirroring on obv. All this photographing coins has made me tealise that I need glases,today not tomorrow!  |
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And also reviewing what I type on a mobile with chubby fingers:)
I see some post says edited, is that a feature one receives after a certain number of posts?
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Any opinions about it being a PL or DMPL even? This last post shows that the obv is very mirrorlike.
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You have to pay a TPG to give you the PL designation. There are lots of ebay listings for reflective raw Morgans, and they sell at discounts compared to the TPG graded coins. It's a gamble, since the TPG could disqualify the coin for cleaning, or give it a low grade. If it were a cc it would be worth it but it's not. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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04/12/2024 08:25 am
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Agree - you'll never know until you send it in.
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The fields on this Morgan definitely appear to have deep mirrors. We won't be able to gauge if the coin has been cleaned from photos. I can't determine the amount of cameo contrast on the coin, either. Since the '81S is commonly found in this condition, it must straight grade fairly high to make grading sense. If you think this coin is MS63 or better, it would be worth sending in. I have 6-8 1881S in this condition purchased in a large lot and have been waffling between sending them in or not.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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The toning on the coin is obscuring the ability to judge if the example is PL. A lot of the PL and DMPL examples have been dipped to remove the toning. There are very few heavily toned PL and DMPL examples in TPG holders. Based on recent photos my guess it will not grade PL because the coin must have complete mirror fields on both sides to get the PL designation and the toning could be blocking the mirrors. The OP example is not showing any contrast between the fields and devices that are typical on PL coins, but contrast is not a criteria to get the PL designation. |
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Quote:You have to pay a TPG to give you the PL designation. There are lots of ebay listings for reflective raw Morgans, and they sell at discounts compared to the TPG graded coins. It's a gamble, since the TPG could disqualify the coin for cleaning, or give it a low grade. If it were a cc it would be worth it but it's not. Thank you all, I agreee its not worth sending for grading, she would probably get a pl vam17 au58 and possibly cleaned. But its interesting to know if its a pl or not. . Regarding the mirror, the sides mirrors but the face doesn't as can be seen on last picture. Same goes for the eagle Edited by Moniker
04/12/2024 11:10 am
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Thank you slider, it also sums up one of my original questions about the pl designation, its the same as toning, an attributed thing, a toning can be removed so can a pl. A morgan proof will always be a proof even if its a lowgrade coin, but the premium might be affected
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"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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04/13/2024 3:33 pm
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Thank you thq, informative thread. I find the part about denticles hard to understand, I'm not so fluent in english. I havent found a good side by side pic. Found a good video by coingeek showing a proof and a pl. I try to learn as I go, we all hope to find that one pl or proof chilling in the corner of a flea market Chilling and watching Netflix with my coin   Edited by Moniker
04/15/2024 04:47 am
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