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Quarter Blank Mint Error - Clipped - Proof?

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 Posted 05/05/2024  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Very interesting as always!
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 Posted 05/05/2024  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Interesting article for sure. But while they started talking about proofs, I'm not sure the rest of the article is about proof planchets specifically. Or does SF only make proof coins these days?
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 Posted 05/05/2024  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list
Interesting and nice capture of that surface texture.
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 Posted 05/05/2024  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list
TB, The mint's description. Thanks, Doug.

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Special proof and uncirculated planchets go through a cleaning process called burnishing. They are placed in a drum with cleaning agents and small metal pellets to smooth and polish the surface. An employee then rinses the planchets and hand-dries them with towels.

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 Posted 05/05/2024  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
Interesting thread - hope we can come to some sort of consensus.
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 Posted 05/05/2024  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list
Started not to bring this up as the link below makes reference to Burnishing misconceptions and or post strike burnishing. That is considered PMD. The blank in question here seems to be missing the upset process as well as being UN-struck.

After chewing on my thoughts a bit, got me to thinking, is it possible the blank itself was burnished or altered after it left the mint? Still haven't found an example to compare it to.

Does the clip edge look typical or pitted like the close up? Thanks, Doug.

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 Posted 05/05/2024  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
A little hard to tell but my opinion is that the satin surface does cover the edge of the clip as well as the regular edge. So seems it came to be on there after it was punched and clipped.
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 Posted 05/06/2024  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
One would think that any burnishing would be done to a blank (or planchet) after it was blanked from the raw material. I can't see the metal processers burnishing a full 1000 pound sheet of rolled material before it was set into the blanking machine. So I would expect to see that the edge would also get some sort of treatment as well during the burnishing process.
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 Posted 05/07/2024  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
This is not a proof blank. A proof blank would show a gleaming surface covered with shallow pockmarks. And a satin finish is imparted by the dies. It's not a property of the blank. Does this specimen show exposure of the copper core along the edge? If so, does the position of the copper core "flip" between the convex portion of the blank and the concave portion?
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 Posted 05/09/2024  01:29 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Thanks Mike! I had no idea to even look at that but yes, the copper layer does show all the way around, but it flips between the concave and convex regions. So I'm guessing that means the original blank was punching in one direction, then it flipped over and was clipped from the other direction? Quite interested to learn more here.
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 Posted 05/09/2024  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
Asymmetric exposure of the copper core is due to one of the clad layers being dragged over the edge of the blank. The convex edge will have the bottom clad layer dragged over the edge of the copper core as the blank is forced through the hole in the perforated base plate. The concave edge will have the top clad layer dragged over the edge of the copper core by the edge of the blanking punch.
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 Posted 05/09/2024  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
That is interesting. Certainly learned something new here, and not just to pay more attention to the edge on clad coin errors. Thanks Mike for the process details!
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