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1909-S 1c VDB - Does It Deserve A "Cleaned" Designation?

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 Posted 09/02/2024  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
The reverse has circular cleaning lines, it may be have been whizzed and retoned. It's still a pleasant example of a rare coin.

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 Posted 09/02/2024  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Yes, does have a curious semicircular whirl on the reverse. Interesting doink on Abe's shoulder. All that said, very nice example that I'd want for my Dansco.
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 Posted 09/02/2024  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list
Coins like this are excellent candidates for cracking out of the slab and putting in an album. The eye appeal is good, it's authenticated and you haven't really lost out on the grade by cracking it because it's already details. If you were reselling someday, I wouldn't crack it but for album collecting, it's great.
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 Posted 09/02/2024  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marv65 to your friends list
It will make a great album coin!
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 Posted 09/02/2024  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
Perhaps lightly cleaned and recolored, accounting for the circular toning on the reverse. Agree it's an attractive coin and a great candidate for your album!
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 Posted 09/02/2024  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
first. congrats on filling one of the most sought after keys. its quite satisfying. I have to agree with PCGS on the grade and the cleaning. whatever was used was not any type of abrasive but the original toning was removed in some areas of both sides. I had mine graded that I purchased in the early 70's not knowing anything about details coins. I'm not even sure that had that designation then. anyways it came back genuine XF details scratched. the scratch is so small and hardly visible to the eye I never expected that. does it both me, ya? At some point I probably will crack it out and put it in its proper hole. I just don't like it in that holder.

i have to agree with you that this coin is going to look 10x better sitting in its assigned hole with the rest of the collection. you're only loss is the grading fee. crack that puppy out!

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 Posted 09/02/2024  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Tough call using TrueView photos.
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 Posted 09/02/2024  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DOCC to your friends list
Retoned by wipe - whatever the chems may have been. Swirls on Reverse telltale, also exist across Abe's forehead. Could be lighting but Abe's back shows a dark line that may be unremoved gunk - or whiz buildup. Doink on shoulder may have been a carbon spot that kicked off the retone project.

Nevertheless, excellent eye appeal and great key date. I'd be thrilled to own it.
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 Posted 09/02/2024  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Definitely cleaned. I still wouldn't mind owning it though.
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 Posted 09/02/2024  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Agree these surfaces do not look original.]
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 Posted 09/02/2024  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Another tell-tale sign, in the deepest recesses of IGWT, EPU and other devices you can see dirt. It's clear out side the devices but the cleaner missed the small device details. It really stinks when some fool decides to clean a key date!
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Coins like this are excellent candidates for cracking out of the slab and putting in an album. The eye appeal is good, it's authenticated and you haven't really lost out on the grade by cracking it because it's already details.


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 Posted 09/02/2024  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
Yes - agree with cleaned.

But a lovely key date and worthy crack out candidate indeed.
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 Posted 09/07/2024  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Reivers_Jewels to your friends list
Thanks for your input everyone! I have not seen those circular cleaning lines before, so it's useful to know how they typically appear.

Overall, I'm still quite pleased with this example. I'll certainly enjoy it much better than having a problem-free G or VG coin in the same spot.
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