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1847-D Liberty Head (No Motto) Half Eagle, Help Real Or Counterfeit

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 Posted 10/13/2024  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list

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I didn't think gold reacted to saltwater?

Salt is an abrasive. Decades of being exposed to currents and sand can cause wear.
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 Posted 10/14/2024  02:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list

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Why would anyone fake this?


Fake coins have long been made for costume jewelry. That said, I suspect this piece may well be genuine. Despite its relatively unsightly appearance, there are serious collectors out there who actively seek historic and affordable branch mint gold pieces, as this may prove to be.

Why simply be so quick to send this questionable item to a TPG, pay the freight and risk a body bag return. Logic tells me to FIRST take it to a well-attended show. A precious metals dealer there may have a gun that'll break down the metal content. Also, a knowledgable dealer, seeing coin-in-hand, can determine authenticity. He could then provide a receipt and get it certified; this, likely for less expense than an individual collector would pay. If it comes back genuine, the dealer might make a fair offer on it. Does this not sound like a logical plan?
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 Posted 10/14/2024  06:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agedcoins1 to your friends list
Thanks for the suggestion that's actually what I was planning on doing I'm pretty positive it's real now. And I happed to like the the unsightly appearance. I like coins that show their age over shiny ones. But again thank https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...33-small.jpghttps://www.coincommunity.com/forum...34-small.jpg
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 Posted 10/14/2024  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Please, do let us know the results .... BTW ....

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 Posted 10/14/2024  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agedcoins1 to your friends list
I will but unfortunately the next closest coin show doesn't come to my area February
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 Posted 10/14/2024  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list

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I will but unfortunately the next closest coin show doesn't come to my area February


In thr meantime, you might find an area jeweler who can shoot the coin with an XRF Analyzer Gun. Write down the results, Just tell the jeweler you want to determine the gold value. I suggest that you play dumb on the numismatic stuff so as to better gauge his reaction to the piece.
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 Posted 10/14/2024  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
Regarding the "seawater effect": it's not so much a result of abrasion, but rather the slow corrosive effect of the salt water on the copper component of the coin alloy. The affected coin has a granular surface texture which is considered a defect.
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 Posted 10/15/2024  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agedcoins1 to your friends list
Great idea about the jewelers I will do that I did have a friend how could do a ping sound test and it tested good for gold but I don't know how accurate that is either
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 Posted 10/15/2024  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
If this was a counterfeit, it would likely be made of genuine gold and the ping test would not lead to any conclusive decision.

I believe it matches die pair Winter 16-M.
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 Posted 10/16/2024  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agedcoins1 to your friends list
I don't know what you mean die pair winter 16-m
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 Posted 10/16/2024  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
"Winter" refers to Doug Winter. He's the guy that wrote the reference book Gold Coins of the Dahlonega Mint: 1838-1861.

Silver dollars have Van Allen VAM numbers, Dahlonega branch mint gold coins have Winter numbers.

If you show that unslabbed, raw coin to most dealers they will not offer you anywhere near its true value and point out every flaw it has. Most are well versed in making lowball offers and few have a conscience when doing so.

99.9%+ it's the real deal. Might as well quit wasting time and send it off to ANACS for authentication and grading.

It's a wonderful coin no matter how it grades. Congrats!
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Thank I have no plans on selling anyway I strictly collect to help preserve history and I love old things I have a huge collection of old coins and antique woodworking tools but this is the first gold coin I ever owned and only reason is the dahlonaga mint
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Thank I have no plans on selling anyway I strictly collect to help preserve history and I love old things I have a huge collection of old coins and antique woodworking tools but this is the first gold coin I ever owned and only reason is the dahlonaga mint
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