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The End Of The "S" Coins For Circulation

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 Posted 11/09/2024  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
I believe you'll find that "the last S-minted coins for circulation" were the SBA dollars of 1980. I wouldn't count 1981, since pretty much the entire mintage that year went into mint sets.

The fact that SBA dollars didn't actually circulate does not alter the fact that the government of the day really, really did want them to circulate, thus they were "made for circulation".

As for the more general question of "why was the San Francisco circulation facility shut down", I would assume it all comes down to footprints. Specifically, the physical size of the mint building.
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Cost-effective circulating coin production needs to maximize the economy of scale, in order to maximize profitability. And there simply wasn't and isn't the physical room to expand production capacity at San Fransisco, as there was in the other mint locations. They'd have to close down the old mint in downtown SF and build a new one out in the suburbs, or maybe move down to LA or Sacramento or somewhere else with cheap land. And on a cost-benefit analysis, it seems that importing coins to California from an expanded Denver mint has always been cheaper than buying, building, equipping and operating a whole new Mint building somewhere in California.
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 Posted 11/09/2024  09:51 am  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
Just one question (or perhaps more of a statement): I believe all the San Francisco circulation strikes for Eisenhower dollars were actually 40% silver business strike specimens. The coins were sold from the Mint at a premium, and were not intended for daily use as currency.
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 Posted 11/09/2024  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list
@sap

The picture posted is the old US mint, there is a new mint that is much larger in SF. The SF mint was never shut down, there was an old mint downtown that was replaced by a larger mint (on Mint Hill).


The SF mint makes precious metal coins and proofs. The production mints are Philadelphia and Denver with capacity at West Point if needed. There are 4 actual mints not just 3 currently.

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 Posted 11/09/2024  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sickpuppy78501 to your friends list
I'm pretty sure it's just to increase revenue. The Philly and Denver mints are now capable of producing more than enough coins. The S.F. mint was already so big I guess someone decided to dedicate it to proofs. Then probably the same person decided to have another mint at West Point for emergency minting.
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 Posted 11/09/2024  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Another factor in play as well.....the cost of doing business in San Francisco is a tad (a tad...) bit higher--transportation, labor (geographic pay differential for mint workers, and higher regional wages in general), utilities, earthquake retrofitting, compliance with local environmental regs, site insurance, etc. It's a bit less expensive to conduct industrial-scale operations in the Denver Metro area and in Philadelphia.
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 Posted 11/09/2024  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpsned to your friends list
Sap, thanks for pointing out that SF minted circulation SBA dollars in 1980 (1979, too). That one slipped by me.
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 Posted 11/09/2024  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list
San Francisco and West Point struck cents and quarters for circulation into the 1980's without a mint mark.
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 Posted 11/09/2024  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleEagle20 to your friends list
I thought so, Cladking.

I thought I remembered that SF struck late 1970's cents without the S mint mark.
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Eisenhower dollar: 1974

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Just one question (or perhaps more of a statement): I believe all the San Francisco circulation strikes for Eisenhower dollars were actually 40% silver business strike specimens. The coins were sold from the Mint at a premium, and were not intended for daily use as currency.
Correct.

No San Francisco minted Eisenhower dollars were every released into circulation. They are all NCLT/NIFC.
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 Posted 11/11/2024  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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San Francisco and West Point struck cents and quarters for circulation into the 1980's without a mint mark.
Cents were minted without mint marks in San Francisco from 1978 to 1983, and West Point from 1975 to 1986.

West Point minted quarters without mint marks from 1976 to 1979. 376,000 of them were bicentennial quarters.
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No San Francisco minted Eisenhower dollars were every released into circulation. They are all NCLT/NIFC.


My Red Book says that in 1974, SF minted 1,900,156 Ike silver-clad business strikes.

So these didn't go into circulation? Where did they go? And what does NCLT/NIFC mean?
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what does NCLT/NIFC mean?

NCLT=Non-circulating legal tender (could be used for currency but has a higher market value due to special strike quality or precious metal content)

NIFC=Not intended for circulation (normally applies to commemoratives, challenge coins, and the like, but can apply to NCLT coins as well)
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My Red Book says that in 1974, SF minted 1,900,156 Ike silver-clad business strikes.
Correct.

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So these didn't go into circulation? Where did they go?
Sold by the Mint direct to customers in blue envelopes, hence the nickname Blue Ikes.

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And what does NCLT/NIFC mean?
As stated above... Non-Circulating Legal Tender and Not Issued (or Intended) for Circulation. Although there are nuances, the terms have become interchangeable.
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Thank you, jbuck! You are da Ike Man!
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