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Below is the OP coin and a PCGS VF35. Both these appear to be off of the same die as the date, mint mark and rims are a match. The OP coin could still be a transfer die counterfeit. There are a couple of items on the reverse that would give me some concern. Note the circle area on reverse in blue are not a match, and the rim wear on obverse appears excessive on one side that could have been caused by die transfer. I would not purchase the OP example raw as any deal would need TPG certification before final payment is made. My grade for purchase offer would be in the VF 20/25 range.   |
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Might have also been in a bezel at some point for jewelry use which may have compressed the rims at least in that section.
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VF-30 is good with me. Unusual to see such a heavily circulated double eagle. A desirable CC nonetheless!!
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Thank you everyone. I'm going to write the seller tomorrow and hopefully get a few more photos.
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I had noted that there were some other differences on the reverse that would give me a concern that the example could be a counterfeit. These concern areas are circled in blue on the PCGS example. The OP bottom serif on the T in united next to the E is a lot longer than the PCGS example. All the bottom T base serifs on the PCGS example have a little slope up on the OP example the bottom T base on the serifs are all straight. Look at the curl below the arrows on the OP example the curl cavity is different and the line is much thicker.  My recommendation is that the seller sends this example to NGC UK before any money changes hands. If the example is genuine you pay for the grading fees, he pays for the fees if the example can not be certified. If he does not want to send it to NGC UK, PASS. |
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Good call on this Slider. The differences are numerous so proceed with caution.
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I think it's the real deal. "Ex Jewelry VF Details" to these old eyes of mine.
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Edited by Roma2021
01/08/2025 12:44 pm
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United States
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It appears improperly cleaned and could be ex-jewelry as well. It is likely genuine and in that condition your primary concern should be that it's 90% gold. Most of the numismatic value is gone but since it's a CC double eagle the seller would likely want well over melt value for it. If it were certified genuine I'd value it around $3,000 USD (to me) but it's not certified. Verifying the weight and dimensions goes a long ways in cases like this. The Fisch method does just that. https://www.thefisch.com/You don't need to buy a Fisch. A good scale, calipers and common sense should confirm it as gold. I wouldn't pay over $2,600 USD for it once I was confident it is 90% gold. Edited by BH1964
01/08/2025 3:16 pm
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I agree with BH1964. It appears to be genuine but check weight and the other dimensions. Slider also makes a good point with having it go to NGC UK before you seal the deal. Grade, VF details, cleaned.
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Hello all,
I contacted the seller and he said the coin has sold. He was asking €3,000. After slider's side-by-side and a few other comments I was prepared to pass and wrote the seller so after, he replied the coin had sold.
It's the wild west over here....so I appreciate all of the comments!!
Best,
R.
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@coinfrog, you've probably gathered from my posts, I mostly focus on common date, bullion coins, and excessively verify anything else. Haha
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Roma2021, it can have been bought by someone only wanting the gold. Price of gold keeps rising here as the euro weakens. People in Italy and the other counties are aware of the recent bad options made. I hear more talk about expecting the currency to devalue. Dealers who avoided gold as it initially rose now are all after gold coins to resell. I see bullion being sold overpriced. It was not happening a few months ago.
Yesterday I overheard a funny exchange in a coin shop. A dealer I know was trying to get the owner to sell him some gold coins a little under spot. The owner was patiently explaining the dealer why that was a crazy idea.
I see many nice foreign gold coins for sale when I look out for the ones I want. So many mint new, almost all priced by weight. Much south american twentieth century gold. Few US ones, mostly mint new $10 indians this month so far. Common later dates. What I want, older portuguese coins, is much scarce. Everything gold until the early nineteenth century is much scarcer now than some years ago. I do not know if is is dealers sending them outside the country. Or people retaining, not selling.
What I see most is the recent coins that should trade as bullion but are now priced with a premium. A common date worn Louis Philippe I could want to some day complete a 20 francs type collection. With a 100 euro premium, no thanks. It was too expensive already by weight. It is a common coin. It is becoming unaffordable to collect gold coins.
The $10 and $20 so far are selling as bullion with about the same absolute premium, 100 over weight price. Best one I saw recently was a perhaps MS63 1893 $20. My guess, could be 62.
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01/11/2025 3:47 pm
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Certainly looks genuine, with enough wear to take it into VF range. Uniform surface color suggests cleaning to me, although there don't seem to be any serious scratches or other obvious signs of mishandling.
I agree the purchase agreement should include a certification step to ensure the buyer gets a legit coin. As noted, a genuine example is a very desirable coin, even at this level of wear.
Please let us know how it turns out, and good luck!
edit: just noticed the angled photos which show surfaces that suggest an ex-jewelry piece. Still a nice coin for your collection, if confirmed genuine and priced right.
Edited by Jaobler
01/22/2025 1:59 pm
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