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New Member
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Thanks you all replies. I did read a post where the same known example was posted a reference to a fake. In that case I could see some differences that stood out although I cannot in this cade can y'all point out what I am missing ? For example the other post the gold pan was very different , the solid line / border was missing .. when I look at the fronts side by side they look the same the backside are similar although the pic of the known example is great pic. I will try a black background as well .. lighting is the biggest challenge I collect 1911 military pistols they are also very hard to get good pics of. Not challenging anyones opinion at all and if its fake that is fine it wont burst any bubbles here .. how many decades ago did they make fakes ? the example we have came from my wifes grandmother it was in with several gold coins some of which we already sold and those were legit in fact of they 100 or so coins this would be the only fake. Looking for knowledge folks not arguing lol that is not what I do.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Numismatic Terminology correction: The front is known as the Obverse The backside is known as the Reverse
There are numerous minor details aside from the fact that it is pitted. Look at the spacing between the S & T in TRUST. On yours there is more space on yours than there is on a genuine coin. It only takes one discrepancy to make it a counterfeit. Also did you weigh it to two decimal points, I doubt if yours is even silver.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I was going by the folds in the miners clothing ( shirt cuff and back of collar to hair) looked "off" to me.
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New Member
 United States
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Jimmy thanks for replying .. again I am looking to experts for advice not here to argue however the space between the T and S in my pic is an illusion the spacing is the same. I will post more pics .. it is not magnetic I tried using a magnet no reaction at all .. it weights .441 ounces or 12.5g's using my electronic scale I will post a [ic of that to. I to was taken back by what appeared to be pitting but it is not. I will try to post pics zoomed in many times but they are large files. I also used a loop. I read up on toning ? this coin has colors on the surfers including the recesses those areas look like pitting but I can say no pitting at all. I collect 1911 pistols made between 1912 through 1945 . Although I am very confident in my knowledge to tell an original finish gun from a refinished gun I have been mislead by poor pics. So with more data and the hopefully better pics I will post please confirm your assessment. I emailed pics to a major auction house as I have far too many old coins lol they want to sell my Jubilee but if its a fake I wont sell it as original.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
21634 Posts |
Better pictures might help in making a determination but right know we can only go by what we are seeing on photos supplied.
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New Member
 United States
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I measured width and thickness as follows - width = 1.2010" thickness = .0885" along with the weight I provided .. working on pics now its difficult to get them compressed down to 300KB .. as mentioned I am by no means a coin guy but comparing it to internet pics which vary slightly coin to coin I image due to how hard each coin was struck ? how early or late it was struck in regard to how the tooling wore ? I am figuring out coins are very similar to early 1911 pistols .. I always start by looking at the roll marks on each pistol to see if they are correct , the roll die impressions vary due to how hard rolled , how the jigs were set up and you can absolutely see differences early in that serial number range to later as the roll dies wore .. oh man I am getting sucked into coin collecting lol I have another one I think is cool it is an earlier Mexican silver coin that has neat toning colors maybe I will post it to.
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
 United States
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Quote: working on pics now its difficult to get them compressed down to 300KB Are you using the optimizer/compression tool available here on CCF. I've found it works rather well as long as the original image wasn't in very high resolution. I look forward to clearer images!
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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New Member
 United States
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OK did my best to get better pics . if any of you are good at taking pics of coins it would be great to get some advice in regard to background , lightings ... 
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New Member
 United States
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New Member
 United States
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heres a new hopefully better pic of the REVERSE lol Jimmy thanks for the education I will do my best to use the correct terminology 
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New Member
 United States
11 Posts |
zoomed in on the Obverse 
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New Member
 United States
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Curious where the members went claiming it was a fake .. I was honest I am not a coin guy , becoming one but a very very long ay to go. Turned out my Jubilee is not only not a fake but very desirable with the condition and toning. I always take strangers advice with a grain of salt but I wonder how many people joined to ask about their coin to be told its fake when it fact it was legit.
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
 United States
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A few things...
1. The poor quality of your original images likely contributed to a potential misdiagnosis of the coin. Folks here do the best they can with what they are provided. They can't always be perfect when given subpar material with which to work. Poor images can lead folks to be suspicious of a coin's originality/genuineness. Good images improve accuracy, bad image worsen it.
2. To my eyes, your example is a circulated coin - your new images reveal wear on the coin's high points. This generally lessens/limits its market value - especially for a coin that can easily be found in top condition. Nonetheless, some collectors (but not all) will like the coin's toning regardless of its technical grade.
3. Making disparaging comments about those who tried to help you ("not a coin guy") is not the best way to make friends here (at least IMO). Folks give freely of their time to support CCF and do the best they can. There have been many, many counterfeit coins posted here on CCF and many members have become sensitive to that fact.
I wish you the best going forward.
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Agree with commems (above). Do like the toning on this piece.
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Moderator
 United States
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Your original images with the questionable spacing in the legends and significant apparent pitting on the reverse were the reason for my input. It was the proper call with the photos provided. Quote: Curious where the members went claiming it was a fake For me - I've simply moved on. I wish you the best with this coin.
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