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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I'll say VG-10, and it looks like WB-18, Errant 1 from Rock, R4
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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This one arrived. I removed the surface dirt with some Vaseline and a very soft cloth. GMS5, I checked varieties on NGC site and they only list Mint Mark sizes with this one the most common. 
Edited by IndianGoldEagle 04/10/2026 3:52 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Quote: Hardest coin I've seen here to grade in the last few years... Anyone want to regrade this one?
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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i think its closer to VG8
why would you put vaseline, a petroleum product, on a coin, rather than use acetone? I not a chemist but I would think it would leave a light residual on the coin that could alter the surfaces it in the future? I never heard of doing that
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 I'd expect a residue would remain from Vaseline. A final soak in acetone would hopefully remove any residue but it would have been better to not use the Vaseline in the first place. Even the soft cloth could be a problem. The post-treatment coin appears to have faint horizontal hairline scratches which I presume might have been inflicted by rubbing with that cloth. On the bright side, the coin is easier to grade now! I'd go VG-8 for detail.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I was wondering the same thing about vasoline. Acetone works great. VG-8.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Acetone is not too late after vaseline.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I didn't weigh in on this coin initially because I couldn't get a good feel for the surface conditions. Looking at the photos after the Vaseline treatment, I agree that the technical grade is VG-08. Whether a TPG would detail the coin is another issue. The original condition wasn't too good, and the coin might have detailed for environmental damage. The post-Vaseline situation might depend on the TPG. I certainly don't speak for PCGS, but I think PCGS might detail this coin under either a 94 code (altered surfaces) or 98 code (damage). Here's how they describe the 94 code. I bolded the key language. Quote: Adding anything to the surface of the coin to either "improve" its appearance or to cover marks. Surface alteration methods include adding dental wax, putty, lacquer, nose grease, etc. "Thumbing" is the application of a putty-like material to fill in marks, scratches, and other defects or to haze over portions of the coin. Coatings (such as lacquer), while intended to protect coins, result in a No Grade because it is impossible to determine the quality of the underlying surfaces. I think they might see the Vaseline treatment as "covering" the scratches, since it is added to the surface and improves the appearance. Here's how they describe the 98 code. I bolded the key language. Quote:Any form of metal movement, either intentional or accidental. Damage may include excessive or heavy rim dings and bruises, deliberate surface damage such as graffiti, attempts to remove spots, etc. The severity and extent of the damage affects whether it will get a "No Grade" decision. The following damage descriptions are some of the more common that may be indicated on your 98 graded insert. 1. Graffiti (significant distracting etchings- occasionally net graded on early coins) 2. Planchet streak removed (usually found on gold coins) 3. Spot(s) removed (leaving some form of damage that is evident) 4. Machine damage (either: counting machine or Coin Wrapping Machine) 5. Rim damage (either: rim gouge or test cut) 6. Surface damage (either large gouge, drill or chop mark [except on Trade dollars], hole, corrosion removed, smoothed or polished) 7. Mount removed (located on either the edge or surface of coin) 8. Repaired (including plugged holes) 9. Surface Plated (Any addition of metal, paint or other material to the surface that materially alters the appearance of the coin. This is sometimes seen on 1943 Steel Cents which have been replated with a fresh coat of zinc, or on American Silver Eagles which have been "colorized" as a collector's item.) 10. Smoothed (A coin whose surface has been disturbed in order to give it the appearance of a higher grade. This often involves the use of a rotating wire brush to remove scratches or marks and simulate luster. This treatment is commonly referred to as "whizzing.") For Chinese Ancients, this also includes cracks and pressed damage. The right obverse field between Liberty's left arm and stars 10-11-12 has something in the field. I can't tell whether that something is or was graffiti. I also can't tell whether it was worn in circulation or reduced by abrading. Whatever may have been done wasn't recent.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Quote: nose grease, like rubbing the coin on the top of you nose where its greasy? 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Right after you rub your nose and also after you put your finger in the beer to remove the foam then you wipe the coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Quote: Acetone is not too late after vaseline. macmercury, you nailed it. Pure Acetone bath is the final step and removes all oil from the surface. I didn't intend for this tread to be about conservation or would have explained step by step. This was an exercise in grading from poor seller photos. I figured someone would point out about the missing black grime on the in hand photos so told you something I have used to remove that for the last 60+ years. Is there anyone here that believes the TPG Conservation Services ONLY use pure Acetone to conserve coins that are sent in and paid for their services? Do I have to worry about a TPG giving this a 94 or 98 code? NO, it's a low grade cheap coin that would not justify the cost of slabbing, a hole filler that I feel I have improved the eye appeal on over what it looked like when I got it. I've used only Acetone in the past with less success. Acetone tends to dry out the grime without loosening it. Acetone works great removing NOSE GREASE, glue, paint, lacquer, PVC and oils. Vaseline softens it and makes it easy to remove, followed by the pure Acetone bath to remove anything left on the surfaces.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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IGE, have you ever sent a coin in that you cleaned in this manner? if so, did it grade straight or what designation did they place on it?
just curious
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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panzaldi I have, NGC, straight grade, no issues.
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Pillar of the Community
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Valued Member
United States
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Wow, apparently "nose grease" is a thing, and is exactly what it sounds like. Wikipedia redirects to Nasal sebum, where it is discussed. Okay I know I can have a greasy nose, but I never imagined people would attempt to improve their coins' appearance by rubbing them on their nose! That's funny.
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