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New Member
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As for the 3 in the date -- what are your concerns? I know there are counterfeits out there.....
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The perceived value of this variety definitely makes it worth having it authenticated by PCGS or NGC. That said, I'd advise taking the coin to a major show. Therein, you could could engage some knowing eyes on the coin solicit opinions as to its being genuine. This simple step could save you time and money relative to the authentication process. Indeed, should the coin then be informally adjudged genuine, there may be a dealer at that show who could expedite submission to one of the two major TPG's. Lastly, my personal preference for a dealer to assess this coin is Larry Briggs. He literally "wrote the book" on Liberty Seated coins. He sets up shop at many major shows. BTW,  to the CCF !!
Edited by ExoGuy 09/16/2026 8:43 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Send it in to Pcgs. I agree the 3 looks suspicious. If possible, post clearer photos.
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
Edited by NumismaticsFTW 09/16/2026 7:11 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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The 1853 no arrows/rays has a recut date, and yours appears to be authentic. Most of these were melted down. This coin is also often faked by tooling an 1858, so getting it slabbed as authentic will help you if you decide to sell. A TPG would grade this G4, details.
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Pillar of the Community
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A lot of the 1858 were modified to 1853. I have to agree that the 3 on the OP coin could be modified from a 1858. OP Below  Genuine about the same wear  Genuine 1858 
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Comparing Slider images, beside the questionable 3, the top of the genuine 18 "5" 3 seems to be slanting further to the right. I agree this needs to be authenticated.
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Viewing Slider23s photos makes me lean towards a tooled 58 Just comparing the 5s in both dates makes me state my opinion.
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New Member
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Hi All -- many thanks for all this input -- I really appreciate it. Looking closely I see why you are questioning it. Attaching a couple close shots.  
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There are tool marks inside of the 3, and the font is of the tail of the 5 is the same as the 1858. It looks like a tooled 1858. 
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: There are tool marks inside of the 3, and the font is of the tail of the 5 is the same as the 1858. It looks like a tooled 1858 
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Pillar of the Community
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Below is a known tooled 1858. This one is crude compared to your example, but it has some of the same characteristics. 
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Pillar of the Community
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I agree that this appears to be a tooled 1858.
In addition to what others have noted, the reverse die on your coin appears to match Reverse Die "C" from 1858. That die was matched with 1858 Obverse Die 2, with a date slightly sloping downward from left to right. Your coin's reverse die has a die crack from the rim to the lower serif of the "C" in AMERICA and very lightly continuing to the eagle's left wing (our visual right). That appears to match 1858 reverse die "C." I emphasize "appears" because of the wear on your coin.
That obviously isn't the news any of us ever want to hear. It looks to be correct, though.
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New Member
 United States
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Yes -- I can see what you are talking about and it all makes sense. I'm going to set this one aside for the time being until I can get it in front of someone trustworthy who knows more than me and I can make a decision from there. You have all been great -- I really appreciate all of your input -- it's been really helpful, even if it isn't the best news. Nonetheless it's better to know what the situation is. Thank you!
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United States
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Sell it as is on ebay and it will go to PCGS for authentication assuming it sells for more than $500. I think bidders will be more willing to pay higher prices knowing it's going to get authenticated, and if not then you'll know it was altered and the buyer will get their money back.
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Pillar of the Community
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I agree, sell it on ebay and face the music.
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
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