Overstrike 1964-D Peace Dollar By Daniel Carr

I do not think you have anything to worry about.

The law (as I understand it) only concerns the sale of these coins, not the possession or even the manufacture (if they are made outside of the US jurisdiction like the Chinese fakes are).

If you will never give it up, I can assume you would never sell it, and therefore, would not have any legal issues.

My supposedly MS68+ Peace dollar Overstrike arrived already today.
I would not be very good at grading the coin as I have no clue to grade the real ones but it looks awesome and is headed to an AirTite in a few minutes.
I paid pretty much for it but I wanted one and I think in the long run, I'll be OK.

Here it is.

In any case, it's interesting to see the final product.
I suppose Carr isn't too secretive about it, so if the gov ever wants to go after him...

When it comes to the 1964-D Peace dollar, "The Fantasy" for many of us has been simply to own one of these coins. I remember being 7 years old and growing up in Southern California in 1964. A favorite uncle had started my interest in coin collecting at a relatively early age by bringing my brother and I his pocket change and the old Whitman blue coin folders on a regular basis. In 1964, another good friend of my moms knew of my interest in coins, and brought me a brand new shiny Kennedy half dollar very shortly after their release. Located as we were in the southwest, this one of course came from the Denver mint. To this day I remember very distinctly hearing about a "new silver dollar" that was planned for release sometime in the next year or two. Silver dollars were always "THE" coin to have in your collection at age 7, and like other kids my age who had heard the rumors of the new dollar coin......I wanted one.

But owning one of those dollars was never to become reality. Mintage was discontinued and all existing pieces supposedly destroyed by the mint prior to any ever being released to the public. While the Kennedy half.....in all it's glory.....helped to fill that new coin emptiness for a time, I have still had thoughts of those new silver dollars through the years, as I'm sure other kids in the neighborhood "coin club" have from time to time. Unlike dreams of the 1804 or 1794 silver dollars, the 1913 Liberty nickel, the 1943 copper cent, or other famous rarities that actually exist in physical form, it seemed for an entire lifetime that the impossibility of ever holding a 1964-D Peace dollar in my hand would remain just that........an impossible dream.

Fast forward to the year 2010, and new rumors of the possible "minting" and release of a 1964-D Peace dollar began to echo through numismatic circles, this time with details that piqued my interest on and off over the months leading up to the announcement that Daniel Carr would "over-strike" genuine Peace dollars with a very accurate representation of what the genuine item probably looked like before being destroyed back in 1965. To add to the intrigue, Carr had obtained a surplus Denver Mint coining press which he restored to its original function, and planned to use it to strike the "new" coins. As time moved on, more rumors began to circulate that Carr was effectively challenging the status quo surrounding the Hobby Protection Act by claiming that his 1964-D Peace dollar creations did not fall under the necessity of a "copy" stamp, which to the purist who enjoys the Peace dollar design, made it all the more interesting. The controversy began to increase surrounding the issue, and in late 2010, the first coins were released......without the "copy" marking. These "fantasy overstrikes" as they have since become known, proved to be not only one of the most talked about issues in the hobby, but also the internet discussion forums, with literally thousands of postings in favor, in opposition, or in total indifference of the newly produced pieces.

Having been an avid coin collector most of my life, I have handled many tens of thousands of silver dollars, including a large percentage of Peace dollars, and through such experience have learned the characteristics of look, feel, luster, and the little idiosyncrasies that make a Peace dollar a Peace dollar. After first obtaining a couple of the Carr overstrikes, I can say without hesitation that his "re-creation" of the 1964-D Peace dollar is one of the most accurate renditions of the Peace dollar that I can imagine. While some of the variations of this issue are interesting from the standpoint of Dan's own production blog on the coins, including the matte proof and mirror proof-like, and earlier "subdued luster" multiple struck pieces, the "high-luster" and "high-grade" examples are single struck in a manner that, to my eye, represent what is probably the most accurate portrayal of what the regular mint-issue coins would have looked like. The accuracy in design and luster of these overstrikes is the closest I can imagine to holding one of the original coins in my hand.

Just think of the long list of other restrike and overstrike coins that are (now) accepted as mainstream numismatic items, controversial though they may have been at the time of their production or discovery........ 1827 quarters, 1851 dollars, 1852 dollars, confederate cents, Washington and Independence cents, 1823 cent, continental dollars, fugio restrikes, 1840-1842-1845-1848 Half Cents, numerous modern bullion coins, many pattern pieces, American Plantation tokens, Castorlands, CSA half dollars, 1804 cents, and others I surely missed. It would not surprise me to eventually see Dan's 1964-D Peace dollar accepted among the others, a coin not produced to deceive or defraud, but one to fill the desire of what otherwise "might have been".

For those lucky enough to have obtained one for our collection, or just to carry around as a pocket piece of "The Silver Dollar That Never Was", we understand the controversy, but ask only that those who have shown so much opposition give back a little understanding in return. We all collect what we like, or at least we should. That's what this hobby and so many others are about.......individual freedom to like what we like without having to apologize for not towing the mainstream line.

Thanks Dan....... for helping a long but never forgotten dream become a reality.

I got a the 1964 D Franklin, a 70 silver Ike, and a 75 Ike. I like them. They were never made to begin with. And they look fantastic. I am happy I got them - especially the 1975 Ike b/c when I was young I thought I had seen one (just youth's wishful thinking) - so now I have one!

Personally, I think it is interesting what Daniel Carr has done. He got an REAL die press from the mint, is taking REAL silver Peace dollars, restriking them with REAL (hand engraved?) dies, and selling them for REAL money.
I admit, $199 does seem like a lot for a reproduction coin. But if the foreign counterfeiters were to make 1964 Peace dollars, they would sell for a lot more than $199. Mr. Carr is up front about the coins being fake/copies/reproductions. No one is being scammed here.

Mr. Carr could be dishonest and make thousands selling these coins as genuine 1964 Peace dollars. But he doesn't. Because of that alone, I have complete respect for him.


-OddCoins... Don't flame me now.

IMHO, the 1964 D Silver Peace dollar by Mr. Carr is a 'Fantasy token' which is not a legal tender.

Like it or not, he is working the loopholes within the law; furthermore, he clearly stated the coins he produced have no affiliation/connection with the Treasury nor any government agency.

A good example would be, an individual is selling a Picasso painting knowing it is not from the hands of Picasso but he can still titled and intentionally mislead the prospect buyer as long as the seller include the following sentence somewhere in the description, 'In the manner of Picasso.'

This borderline loophole because the seller is merely disclosing the art is most likely done by one of Picasso's student, fan, faithful, or anyone other than Picasso himself. Obviously by doing so, the price realized will be far far less than the real deal. Fascinating to me, as anyone with no art background can create a piece of art, forge the intended artist's signature, then list on E b a y as, in the manner of; you will be surprised how many people out there will bid on your artwork.

I have never done such act, but the loophole is there. Keep it on the DL for the coincommunity. =)

Carr disclosed his 'Fantasy Token' as needed by law and it is not legal tender. In this case, Mr. Carr openly stated the responsibility of the owners to disclose the origin of the Fantasy Token. The consumer is also liable for his/her due diligence before getting fooled by a fraud purposely trying to sell a DC 1964 D as an authentic for the sum of, $25,000(whatever the amount).

This coin is beautiful, and the pictures do no justice. It will literally make you feel as if your collection just, leveled up.

Read the transcripts from the Nauthaus trial and you will see it was a sham. I think his problem was the feds did not like someone actually getting large enough to be recognized as competition on their territory/power. There are and were others doing the same thing. In fact the same Liberty Dollar design was sold and used by another place making rounds and a "New Liberty Dollar" that looks the same with some subtle differences is now being minted... but with little recognition and so not a threat to the fed.

This is what Nauthaus is not serving time etc. In fact he now holds some sort of record in NC for being the one to go longest without punishment for being declared guilty in court. It would take little paperwork and legal action for the authorities to take action. But it may just be the legal system knows if they take it further, it would only serve to re-open the case if Nauthaus took it to a higher court (meaning more publicity) et cetera. They have pretty much silenced him/his movement and removed the silver from circulation - and this is likely what it really was all about. Mafia-style politics.

The ones convicting him know they took an illegal action against him. But like so many things in this day we live in, it was not about legitimate justice, it was about getting Nauthaus out of the way. This is why the FBI even did something as ridiculous as saying they might make it illegal to own the NIRFED rounds and also told ebay to stop all the NORFED auctions - they did not want the Nauthaus story to have any credibility, and they wanted to make the general public afraid of associating with the idea since it undermines the very concept of the fed. But if you type NORFED into ebay you will see there are still daily new auctions, however, the amount of NORFED stuff being sold daily has lessened - likely from the scare tactics in play. The feds retain their power unquestioned and they silenced someone who was challenging their power to create money from thin air. It matters not to them that they are illegally holding other peoples' property at present.

I am not sure why it is illegal for Carr to make a silver dollar the mint claims does not exist legitimately. But I do admit if they wanted to, they could surely take him out to. Until it threatens their power/authority, they likely will do nothing. If he started minting 1921 Morgans identical to legitimate circulated coins, then they would go after him probably.