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Id-Help Pretty Please | Swedish Spelpenning/Jeton

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 Posted 02/08/2011  05:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list
These pictures aren't identical. Their hands are different, their helmets too and the way he is holding that caduceus..
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 Posted 02/08/2011  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list
That's hardly surprising given your's is a crude copy.
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 Posted 02/08/2011  07:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list
Indeed. However why would someone want to copy an emergency coin anyway..
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 Posted 02/08/2011  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list
It's hard to say. In years gone by attendee's to events might have got a coin or token to show they had attended and to commemorate the event - that has all gone now - today you get a flashdrive or a mouse mat.

The image is quite striking, perhaps the copiest just wanted to have something related to Hermes (or Mercury if your Roman).

That's who this figure is, by the way - the kerykeion (Greek) or caduceus (Latin) is one of Hermes's attributes along with the winged helmet and boots.
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 Posted 02/08/2011  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list
Alright. Well yes, something related to Hermes sounds more likely than copying an emergency daler, in my opinion.

What about the obverse then? Anyone seen similar persons?
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 Posted 02/08/2011  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list
That's really just a caricature of what a Roman Emperor might be. It certainly doesn't look like any any real Roman coin
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 Posted 02/08/2011  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list
Alright. Thanks for your help.
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 Posted 02/08/2011  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Tomten, the similarities to Mercury on the emergency coin is striking--and obviously used as a model for yours.
I wouldn't be surprised if yours is from the same period, and is simply a private-issue token.
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 Posted 02/08/2011  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list
I think Kurt is right.

The style is very similar to British merchant farthing tokens from 1800 to 1820.

Kind of like this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...3D&viewitem=

or this one: http://www.coinquest.com/cgi-bin/cq...ain_ct_id=94

The designs are crudely based on those of existing coins of the period.

Yours may be a Swedish version from the same period as the emergency dalers.

Definitely an interesting and unusual item.
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02/08/2011 2:11 pm
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 Posted 02/09/2011  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list
Yes very similar actually!

I know that the worth of tokens are very tricky.. But what would you take a guess at?
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 Posted 02/09/2011  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list
I would not venture a guess. From what I know of Swedish tokens, the rare ones can go for serious money. And if this one is as early as we think, in this condition, would likely be worth a good chunk of change. More research is needed here! =)
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 Posted 02/13/2011  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list
I've found another one! On this swedish page:

http://www.tonysmynt.se/polletter/s...nningar.html

This is what it says in Swedish under it:
Holst 144, Spelpenning, Allmän, 21 mm
Lagerkrönt huvud åt höger / Mercurius stående
Ett huvud som ofta påstås vara Georg Heinrich von Görtz, kanske för att frånsidan visar en av hans "gudar". Jämför gärna med nödmyntet MERCVRIVS
Troligen slagen vid Avesta myntverk under första hälften av 1700-talet.

Token in games. Mercurius standing, the head is said to be Georg Heinrich von Görtz, maybe because Mercurius was one of his "gods". Probably minted at Avesta during the first half of the 1700'.



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 Posted 02/13/2011  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Tomten, that Holst 144 game token looks very close--nice research! Perhaps yours was also struck in Avesta, just with a different pair of dies?
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02/13/2011 12:23 pm
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 Posted 02/14/2011  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list
I think it must've been struck in Avesta as well.
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 Posted 02/15/2011  01:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Excellent work.

Looks like these "spelpenningar" are the Swedish variants on the German rechenpfennigs and French jetons.
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