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The High Price Of Silver Good Or Bad For Collectors?

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 Posted 03/01/2011  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mysilveryears to your friends list
Whoever owns a pet, collects manure.
It's what you do with that manure that separates you from the average pooper-scooper or litter-box dumper.
If your 'pet' hobby is collecting silver coins, and you dump your worn commons on the metals market, you are depriving some enthusiastic young beginner of an entry point.
Sure, there will always be plenty of base-metal dross to paw through.
But it's just not the same!
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 Posted 03/01/2011  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list

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The mass melting of these commons is creating a desert where few seeds will sprout.
Good observation! How many dealers would keep "common" US silver in their inventory at these melt prices?
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 Posted 03/01/2011  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
It depends. Some of the places around here have individuals buying the melt coins as fast as they come in.
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 Posted 03/01/2011  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add david mackenzie to your friends list
I am cashing in my old silver pre 1967 canadian coins that doesnot make good grade $34.00 an ounce and climbing.IF everyone does this it will make the value of your high grade silver go up in price.
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 Posted 03/01/2011  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list
I see this as a game. Just came back from my coin shop and the owner buyer said he sold $37,000 dollars worth of silver to his buyer. That's a lot of change but not a lot of silver, around 1300 ounces. That could be 1300 American Eagles or 1600 Morgans. When put in perspective our collection of silver coins may better serve us as cash in hand rather than duplicates in storage. Just a thought as age and economy play a part in our decisions. LOL
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 Posted 03/02/2011  03:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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I am banging on tin pans in the midst of a stampede with little hope of halting or even slowing the continuing onslaught of destruction as the price of argentum creeps ever higher.



You're also overlooking the fact that the melting of hundreds of millions of silver dollars in the early 1900s and prices in 1980 higher than today didn't seem to have any lasting effect on coin collecting. There are only so many collectors, and LOTS more coins.
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 Posted 03/02/2011  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Good observation! How many dealers would keep "common" US silver in their inventory at these melt prices?

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It depends. Some of the places around here have individuals buying the melt coins as fast as they come in.


Not me, I learned a lesson in 1980.

nod makes a good point, too. Sure, some coins are being melted, but if you have a bag of 90%, it's a known amount of silver with a value based on that.

You can always turn it into 999 bars, but you can't turn them back into coins, so why lose 5% or so to change them into something with fewer options?
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 Posted 03/02/2011  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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The likelihood of there being a $3000 coin out there to accidentally get refined is pretty slim to nonexistent, or it wouldn't be a $3000 coin. It's not like there are hundreds floating around in circulation that will all get turned in for scrap. Knowing how rare it is to find a 90% silver coin, I can't imagine many sterling coins that aren't already in collectors' hands.

I'm sure that no one that is presently melting coins has any idea of what they are worth numismatically and really could care less. Due to home invasions, robberies of all sorts, coin stores and coin show visitor robberies, many valuable coins are treated as just coinage. It is really highly improbably that crooks have a Red Book with them when they go to dump or sell their stuff. And by STUFF, to them that is what it is, just STUFF to be sold, melted or whatever they can or do with that STUFF. If for some reason a $3,000 or even higher valued coin was in with a robbery, the crooks just don't bother to sit down and look it up. And the jewlers or smelters that melt them also could care less of Numismatic values.
It is always difficult for coin collectors or dealers to even imagine someone melting valuable coins. But just go around asking anyone that is not a coin person the value of a 1913 Liberty Head Nickel is and you would probably get $0.05. There are millions and millions of people out there right now considering melting down any coin that even slightly looks like Silver.
A good example of such stupidity was not to long ago in Chicago they osted that if you brought in any gun you would receive a $20 certificate for gym shoes. Thousands were turned in an melted down. One that was saved was an original Colt Dragoon worth aabout $7,000. Somehow a Museum curator grabbed it in time. Yet to this day on one knows how many other such rare guns were just melted since those that did the melting really didn't care.
Same with Silver coins.
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 Posted 03/02/2011  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list
Well reports are in for the last swap meet coin sale and they are all pointing to the influence that the price of precious metal has on lower valued coins. The bottom line is that the lower value silver or gold coins rise to the spot value of the metal. Those coins that are very collect able seem to not be influenced by the spot prices. Their value is established by the collector.
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 Posted 03/02/2011  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list
I have really enjoyed this tread, lots of insight from collectors and dealers. My collecting focus over the past five years was to up grade my walkers and complete my modern commemoratives. most of the commeratives were bought below spot now and I'm glad I have almost compleated my set prior to this bubble. It is also good to replace a worn dated walker with a quality AU or BU peice knowing I have added another coin to my silver stash. I was blessed to start collecting early when silver coinage was redally found in your change and it still is a spark of pleasure when one shows up.
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 Posted 03/02/2011  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list
I just spoke to my son and he said he likes it so far. He has filled in two Morgan CC which he could not have afford if he didn't sell some of G,VG Morgans. They would not have sold for there good looks. My overview is that it is a win/win for the collector. Removing culls and replacing with quality. It seems that quality coins have not risen in cost. There is a lot of frenzy and competition selling and buying at this time. If you know what you want and have COH you might be able to find what you want. We are also seeing people unable to spend several hundred dollars before the prices went wild step up to the plate spending more than they could before. Ride the wave, have water wings in backpack. LOL
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 Posted 03/02/2011  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Logic to your friends list
Great discussion and general info.

The only real drawback I see, is the potential marginalization of the casual collector, but most of those will just switch their focus imo. I think even that is more than offset by the amount of potential new collectors who are exposed to and made aware of coins in the first place, if only by the melt value. It is only a small step from there to collecting and once you get in, as we all know, you never get out.
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 Posted 03/02/2011  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list
Good if you're selling,bad if you're buying except what some have mentioned about getting better specimens for your money.
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 Posted 03/02/2011  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
While it's true that a thief doesn't check for rarities, most of the people that buy will check. Maybe not if they sell a silver dollar for five bucks in a bar, but that buyer isn't gonna melt it down, either.
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