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Rest in Peace
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Adam, Do you think they would slab a fake? I'm sure more than 1 person would look at this coin before slabbing. Of course PCGS wouldn't. But somebody could make a fake PCGS slab, look up the correct serial number and put a fake coin into the fake slab with the correct serial number. That is what you need to watch out for. I doubt that bust half is in a fake slab though. |
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Both coin and slab appear legit to me. Though if the coin was mine I wouldn't have spent the money to have it slabbed.
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Valued Member
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Remember that the PCGS logo is a hologram...it may look different depending at what angle the flash went off in.
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Valued Member
United States
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I hate that we even have this discussion.... counterfeiters should get what is coming to them
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Bedrock of the Community
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I know that the Chinese were making fake NGC slabbed/numbered coins which copied legit serial numbers. The NGC site had a place where they showed how to tell a fake and a real. Not sure if the Chinese duplicated the PCGS slabs or not.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Yes they faked the PCGS slabs too and they did copy serial numbers from genuine slabs
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Bedrock of the Community
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Go to the PCGS website and punch in the serial # That does nothing any more because the counterfeiters got smart a few years ago when these slabs started hitting the market pretty hard, they now go onto heritage or TT or other online sites and find a coin of the same date and denomination and copy the serial number from that slab, so the serial number checks out for a coin of that date and the grade on the label so it looks legit. This is why I love that NGC takes pictures of every coin they grade now and when you look up the cert you can see the picture of the coin and try to match them up to see if they look the same. This is one area that PCGS has fallen short and are doping a great disservice to the end user for not following suite because it would all but end the fake slab scare that is running rampant throughout the collecting community |
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Pillar of the Community
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This is why I love that NGC takes pictures of every coin they grade now and when you look up the cert you can see the picture of the coin and try to match them up to see if they look the same. I never knew this. After I use my 8 free submissions form PCGS I will convert to NGC. That is great! Thanks Bryan |
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Thank you for all the replies, I still got alot to learn. I didn't buy it but If I find any other slabs, I'll be sure to have them be from NGC.
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Pillar of the Community
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Bryan1315 This is why I love that NGC takes pictures of every coin they grade now and when you look up the cert you can see the picture of the coin and try to match them up to see if they look the same. I think that's great for someone with a discerning eye AND experience enough to spot a fake. For the rest of us I think we're still pretty much at the mercy of the counterfeiters. From what I've read on the forum the Chinese have become extremely adept. The best advice I could give myself as a neophyte if I were buying a high priced coin would be to ask for opinons right here on CCF or (circumstances allowing) take it to 1 or 3 dealers for some opinions as to authenticity. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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This is why I love that NGC takes pictures of every coin they grade now and when you look up the cert you can see the picture of the coin and try to match them up to see if they look the same. Now if only their pictures were better. And so far the only examples I have seen have been of the entire slab, you really couldn't tell much about the coin at all. The pictures need to be good quality pictures OF THE COIN! (And preferably take the picture of the coin BEFORE you put it in the slab.) It really doesn't matter what the slab looks like you NEED to be able to see the coin very clearly so you can make sure it matches the coin in the slab you are looking at in the marketplace. I always like how people give NGC kudos for doing this. It's an idea they copied from Dominion Grading Service. Quote:
I think that's great for someone with a discerning eye AND experience enough to spot a fake. That's why they need good quality pictures of the coin. You may not be able to tell that the coin in the slab your looking at is fake or not. But if the toning pattern or the marks on the coin in the slab don't match up with the pattern or marks in the NGC image then you KNOW something is wrong. Edited by Conder101
06/26/2011 8:21 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Oh for the love of all thats holy. If I was a newbie and was to go by what I read on this site about fakes, I would NEVER buy a single coin. I mean what I am getting from this and other similar threads is this: OH MY GOD! THE CHINESE HAVE FAKED EVERYTHING! THEY MADE OBAMAS BIRTH CERTIFICATE TOO!
Dont get me wrong, I understand there are fakes out there and one needs to be careful. But when you get to the point of saying you cant trust any slabs because the Chinese faked all of them, then we need to just give the hobby up. If I took this tack when it came to fossils, the only thing I'd be doing is going fishing.
And the Chinese have probably faked 10 lb bass too.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I find if you click the arrows down at the bottom right the picture is big enough to be able to see nicks and other features that can let you see if its the same coin or not. If you see nicks in one photo and do not see them in the other then chances are its a different coin. This is my VAM-85, one from my pictures and one that they took when it was graded   Even with poor quality pictures I think it is clear these are the same coin |
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Valued Member
United States
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Your coin is definitely real and there is no red flags or indications that would lead me to believe it to be counterfeit. It is a nice one. Congratulations on your new addition to your collection.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bryan, The coolest thing about your VAM-85 is that it's used on the VAMworld.com web page. You gotta love it!
ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!! 
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Posted 06/23/2011 9:29 pm
