Two Date Error Coin Question

I'm sure every collector out there has bought a few coin's in there life they wish they hadn't.including myself.It takes time to learn all the diff kinds of errors.It's the hard part of learning.One thing is certain you found a great place to learn and get help when needed.

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I would speculate that the perp was trying to alter only the date so the image of Lincoln wasn't necessary and was probably not on the fake "die".

I can tell you what didn't happen. If the coin was restruck the entire obverse and reverse would be stronger than the first the first strike. Some devices of the first strike would still be showing, but in the pattern of the die:

I think some people tend to over analyze the "why" too much when it comes to an altered or damaged coin. Once it is damaged, it doesn't really matter why or how. It's more important to focus on what can actually happen at the mint to cause an error or variety. I can pick up a penny in the parking lot and speculate for days on what type of car ran it over to cause that amount of damage and never know. If someome intentionally alters a coin, we can never really know why unless you find them and ask them. But I can pick up a cent with a nice die clash, or RPM and KNOW what happened.

Dave

If it had been a real 1943-D die that struck the 1940 cent, you would see all of the portrait. The 1943-D die was too soft to make any other marks that the ones marked in red. The fact that the "E" is in a low spot between two high relief areas of the 1940 cent is a strong indication of the strikes were damaging soft fake die.

The counterfeiter could have had more than one die, but once his attempt failed to look anything like a real copper '43-D, he could have given up and just attempted to make what looked like an error.

It's seems too far fetched to think that not only did a 1940 cent get a second date 3 years later, but it looks like it moved from the Philly mint to the Denver mint, and then had 2 obverse strikes on the original 1940 coin.

Here's one last overlay of the coin's reverse. If you don't see that the only possible way the marks could have reached the flat surface areas of the 1940 cent was to have the reverse details of the coin cutting into the soft die, then you should spend the money to have it graded.

But keep in mind, the coin is no longer round, it has too much damage on the design elements and rims. It looked to have been struck on the obverse and reverse by one or more soft dies, one of which can be seen as a 1943-D. The other was too soft to leave any of the date on the wheat of the 1940. Both extra strikes also came from different alignments on the coin with very low force. This indicates that they did not come from a real mint die press.



If you still think that my opinions and digital overlays, the opinions of many other collectors on this forum who have much more knowledge than I do, including one of the top experts on error coins in the world are all wrong, then the only way you will ever beleive that this is a faked, damaged coin, is to submit it for certification. No one here seems to be able to convince you of that.

If the TPG service agrees with you. You'll have a coin possibly worth tens of thousands of dollars. If it comes back as a modified coin, then you'll have to decide if the TPG is correct.

Save a few bucks and post this on Coneca forum. Even though you've had some of the top experts in the field give you their opinion (yes, some of the members here are the top experts) you'll get Mike Diamond to give you a definitive answer. BTW, he is also a member here.

Guess what, we won't either.