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Could use some help ID'ing this:   The coin was sold as: Obv: IMP M ANTONINVS AVG - Laureate head right. Rev: PROV DEOR TR P XVII COS III - Providentia standing left, holding globe and cornucopia. Rome mint: Dec AD 162 to Dec AD 163 = RIC III, 73, page 218 - Cohen 525 - RCV II = not listed/ 3.25 g. However when compared to reference images of C 525, it doesn't match up. |
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Moderator
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I have this coin as RIC III 66. Circa 162-163.
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New Member
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Was this what you were referring to?: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ga...at=0&pos=243If so, the obv on the OP has a draped bust along with being bare headed. Another question on ID'ing: Do the coins have to be an exact style match when finding a reference? Or are variations in obv/rev text as well as bust style allowed? Thanks for the help! |
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Thanks for the tip! RIC 71 does look like a good match, but the "IMP" is missing on the obv of the OP. Does that matter?
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Also noticed that the drapery is "full", as in it covers both shoulders whereas RIC 71 has slight drapery only on the left shoulder.
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No image available from your link. The coins should match, with the bust, obverse and reverse legends and type. My reference ERIC II doesn't list your coin as bare headed, but all other aspects match. This could be an error in my reference material.
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Well my reference does not list RIC 71 at all. So looks like another error has been found.
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Earlier I tried to work out the coin in ERIC format. I think its the following:
Bust:
9) Bare headed, draped bust right
Obv:
23) M ANTONINVS AVG
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91) PROV DEOR TR P XVII COS III
Type:
140) Providentia standing left, holding globe and cornucopia.
B09, O23, R091, T140
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The legend should be exact and you are correct. RIC 71's legend does not match because of the "IMP". From waht I can find, the only match for the legend might be RIC 67 ( I can't find RIC 66 on wildwinds), but there is no drapery that I can see. Take a look at: http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/marc...RIC_0067.jpg |
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RIC 67 is close, but the OBV text is off. It has an IMP II at the end of it. The closest match I have found so far is RIC 48: http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/marc...RIC_0048.jpgBut there is no drapery and this is a P XVI, whereas the OP is P XVII and has drapery. |
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The reverse legend is off from RIC 48. It should be TRP XVII COS III, while RIC48 is TRP XVI. Hmm, this is interesting, but I'm sure one of us will put our finger on it sooner or later.
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Well, my friend, I just consulted my copy of RIC and it's not listed there. But remember, RIC was done some 80 years ago and many coins have been uncovered since. It's just not listed in RIC is about all you can say at this point.
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Another odd characteristic is that it appears *slightly* smaller than my other denarii. Here it is next to a Elagabalus AR denarius RIC IV-II, 146:   My scale is broken, so I have no way to weigh it for the time being. At first I was really concerned that it might be a fake, but the side cracks look good and I can see obvious signs of silver crystallization when examined through a loupe. I am by no means an expert, but if it is fake its probably a better fake. |
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The information that came with the coin claims that it was found near Brampton, Norfolk England. Not sure if that helps.
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That's a big difference. There is no visible signs of this being a fouree, I wonder if this is an unoffical issue stuck on the outskirts of the empire?
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Posted 04/15/2012 9:09 pm
