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Pillar of the Community
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Could this make MS-64?   I didnt notice the die crack on the obverse until just then either |
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I'd say it would easily make 64,probably a little higher but I'm no MS expert,i thought I had it worked out at one point then you see something that just leaves you scratching your head thinking how the .... did that coin make that grade.
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Pillar of the Community
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Definitely looks better than MS-62. I think we all know my favourite grade is AU-58 ;p
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Looks MS65, it wouldn't be worth slabbing though. I've sent about 200 1961 threepence for grading so far, 2 have come MS67, about 40 in MS66 and over 100 in MS65. These 200 are the best coins selected from about 20 rolls.
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I hadnt planned on slabbing it but was wondering how it might fair. The rim on the reverse between 12 & 3 oclock isn't fully struck and I wondered if this would effect it getting 64. The photos dont quite show it but they are slightly flat but not from wear.
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Pillar of the Community
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Would likely be an easy 64. Most likely a 65. Strike weakness doesn't enter into it at lower MS grades.
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Pillar of the Community
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Strike comes into consideration after MS64 or 65?
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Pillar of the Community
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Well considering some of the coins I've seen in MS66 slabs I think it doesn't come into consideration until at least then. Possibly MS67.
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Pillar of the Community
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Strike comes into consideration in all grades but it's not only detail that matters. If the coin is just very softly struck up it can still grade MS64, factors like die rust, heavy die fill, etc will cause even lower grades. Your threepence has very minor softness near the rim and has a die crack, that's still acceptable in an MS67 grade. Have a read here: http://www.numismatics.com.au/Blog/...nding_StrikeDown near Application in Grading - it'll show a rough estimation on what strike problems are permissible in each grade. |
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Nice coin. I would grade it as Ms 65 to 64
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Walter I'll post up an MS66 (or 67 dont remember which) 3d a bit later that blows your chart out of the water. It has almost no rim beads at all and exhibits far more than "Bold detail definitions with evident imperfections in the striking process such as minor die cracking, slight offsets, a slightly off-centre strike, small regions of die fill,".
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Sweet coin enwarb  I think the die crack adds to the coins allure. There are many of these in similar condition but they won't have the die crack to make them that bit more interesting, Well done nice pick up  |
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Don't come much better than that! Lucky boy!
I see some tiny scuff marks on the reverse, and a couple of tiny marks on the back of Lizzy's shoulder, that it.
I agree, MS64.
Well photographed.
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I got a whole heap of them just as nice. Went back and got some more today, havent checked for the die crack yet. These are real pearlers. Got some 1957 and 1964 just as good as well.
I knew they were high end UNC but when it comes to the MS number I'm not so sure. So thanks markn and walter.
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Walter I'll post up an MS66 (or 67 dont remember which) 3d a bit later that blows your chart out of the water. It has almost no rim beads at all and exhibits far more than "Bold detail definitions with evident imperfections in the striking process such as minor die cracking, slight offsets, a slightly off-centre strike, small regions of die fill,". Post it up please, is the general design still bold, that's really all that's needed for an MS66? Remember PCGS standards are consistent for all coins, not just the particular series. Your coin might be weak for an Eliz II threepence, but compared to all other coins it will still be well above average if it makes an MS66. If they graded a 1961 3d MS60 because of a few weak rim beads, how would a typical, off-centred, unevenly struck medieval shilling grade? |
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Post it up please, is the general design still bold, that's really all that's needed for an MS66? Remember PCGS standards are consistent for all coins, not just the particular series. Your coin might be weak for an Eliz II threepence, but compared to all other coins it will still be well above average if it makes an MS66.
If they graded a 1961 3d MS60 because of a few weak rim beads, how would a typical, off-centred, unevenly struck medieval shilling grade? I understand they (try to) apply the principle across all coins regardless of type. I was just saying in the post above that a bit of strike weakness isn't going to stop a coin getting a grade anywhere (and including) up to MS66. Here's the coin, it's an MS66 and you'd have to agree there's more than a bit of weakness in the rim beads/denticles. Given the condition of this coin you'd say that Enworb's coin isn't going to be held back from an MS66 grade because of weakness, but because of other factors.  Edited by markn
05/25/2012 02:28 am
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