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Help With A Double Bust Roman Coin (Possibly In Greek)

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 Posted 07/28/2012  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Doucet I missed that one. From what I can make out of the legends it seems to match. I felt that the OP coin and mine would be the same type. Not even close.
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 Posted 07/28/2012  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think its is similar to mine. This is from Roman Pergamum Mysia 40-60 AD
Senate/ Rome. I have one in bad condition..Similar but Seante / Trajan frim Attea, also in Mysia.

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 Posted 07/28/2012  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since you took the coin down to bare metal, I might suggest you get a product called Deller's Darkener. It won't replace the patina, but your coin won't look shiny like a new penny either. I had a Gordian III I purchased that was somewhat shiny. Here is the results after using Deller's on it:

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I haven't taken a pic of it lately, but Deller's continues to darken for a while after it's been applied.
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 Posted 07/28/2012  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This just to show a comparison. Deller's was applied about two years ago. The first image is about a week after it was applied. This image was just taken:

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Ben's Avatar
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 Posted 07/28/2012  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I'm not sure. If I keep it, I wont require a fake patina... But if I keep it depends on how much its worth, If Its worth a considerable amount, ill sell it and buy another batch of uncleaned coins. Would a potential buyer prefer it if its darkened?

Just give me a stab in the dark about the price.

And Ancient noob, that might be the very same coin! Certainly looks that way.
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 Posted 07/28/2012  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The darkener is not to fool anyone. It's just to keep it from looking like a shiny penny. It is not patina, fake or real. Just darkens the coin. And, to answer your question, I would prefer a coin not to be shiny.

Value? I dunno. It's in poor condition, but it all depends on the actual attribution. I found this one selling for 170 Euros, but I'm not certain if this is similar to your coin or not. Plus this one still has the patina intact: http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=531112
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 Posted 07/28/2012  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Much better condition than mine was - to be honest, I'm happy with how it came out. The patina hid all the details. But heck, 170 euros in good condition with patina? Translate that to 20 euros, and id be a happy person.

Ill work on the attribution, if I can get a better date it will sway whether I sell it. But heck, its in good condition considering how long its been underground.
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 Posted 07/29/2012  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jeeze I think I paid 4-5 usd for mine. I don't think some one in there right mind would by that for over 200 usd. Some one can buy mine for a 100 euros. Just kidding, its not for sale.
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 Posted 07/29/2012  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reason that coin is so expensive is the rarity for the busts of Livia and Julia. Hard to come by at a decent price.
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 Posted 07/29/2012  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im torn here - to sell or not to sell. I've been wanting to buy a metal detector and could use any procedes to fund that, but when would I ever get another coin depecting the roman senate?!

Looks like its not going to be leaving the 'collection' at this point though. I reckon Id prefer the coin to any meagre money it would bring in.
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 Posted 07/29/2012  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally, I'd keep the coin. For now it could be a good hole filler until you get a better one.
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 Posted 07/29/2012  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Always keep the coin. Each one with its own story and history. You may find one better but you can never find THAT coin again, each one a custom made, one of a kind relic from Antiquity.
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 Posted 07/30/2012  05:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your point is an excellent one. What are the odds of finding a copy of a coin from the same die pair? Pretty darn low, especially at that age.

Anyway, I like this for the sheer ridiculousness of personifying the whole senate as a young man. Plus, it could be a coin of Nero, and I had to do a lot of study of him back in the day.
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 Posted 07/30/2012  07:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suggest you try to sell the coin. The experience would be educational. Don't be too offended if offers are below your expectations. Remember that dealers want to buy coins for which they have a customer who wants that coin in that condition. Before this post, who among us was looking for one of these?
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 Posted 07/30/2012  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
...ah mixed messages..

I would only really consider selling it here, I'm not messing about with ebay. But Id have to wait until 250 posts to try it.

Anyway, Id want quite a princely sum from it. Fund buying some more with the money.
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