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Bedrock of the Community
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We discuss Silver prices and price potential a lot on here and it got me thinking if silver did go back down to $5 dollar would any of us really complain? Yes it wouldn't be fun watching the value of what you had disappear, and if you have a large hoard bought at the higher prices it would be a heavy hit, but if you don't have 1000s of ounces what really is the downfall? ASEs under 10 dollars, 100 ounce bars for under 1k, monster boxes around 3k, that all seems pretty appealing to me personally. Even if you had a substantial amount (unless it was a retirement fund) wouldn't the future savings on purchases outweigh the losses anyway? Not to mention if you believe in the historical cycles it would spike again at some point and this time you would be ready to cash in when it did. Just my Two Cents and was curious if anyone else felt the same way. Personally Id take the manageable losses now to gain long term then the short term gain to incur more expenses long term. Edited by basebal21 03/30/2013 01:20 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I'd love to see it drop - unless the prices of silver collectibles stubbornly stayed where they are now on precedent alone (overpriced worn Morgans, I'm looking at you). I could finally work on a Canadian silver dollar collection as well.
I guess this is one of the best reasons to get silver from coin rolls while you still can - who cares if it drops? You got it for face value.
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Russian Federation
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If silver prices crash, I would love it.  Even if there's no guarantee that they would ever climb back. Because as it is now, I could barely afford 10 ounces of silver. (I would rather prefer for gold prices to crash, actually; but that's unlikely, so I suppose I should buy some platinum while I still can  ) ...Okay, as long as they don't go back to pre-1964 levels, anyway. But they probably won't, since there'd been a lot of inflation since. Then again, it's very much possible that even when silver prices crash, prices for non-bullion silver coins (OTL "junk silver") would stay on their inflated positions (circa 20 times face value for pre-1964 US silver). Which would just be awful, because I'm not that interested in bullion bars (and over here IOTL bullion already has such a huge markup that's it's almost cheaper to buy coins anyway - seems they never got off their peak 2011 prices) and would rather like to be able to properly afford some Morgans...
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Bedrock of the Community
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Id have to imagine for the pre 64 coins aside from the premium graded examples theyd have to have some price pullback. They may not be 2 or 3 dollar coins but if the silver value dropped like that they should shed something. I agree with both of you that junk morgans are overpriced for how easy they are to find.
January I'm not really into bars either though at 5 dollars an ounce I might get some, I do like a lot of bullion designs though so I'm not opposed to bullion if its made from a national mint. I can do without the private mint stuff though.
I didnt include gold in this just because those losses would be significant even off a single ounce if they shed 1200 1300 dollars an ounce. If it were to happen though I would be buying my first gold coins, but I couldnt imagine what someone sitting on a bunch of gold would be feeling at that point.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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One little problem to consider -- at $5/oz spot, the private mints and refineries might not be very highly motivated to be putting out product. A $5 spot could result in diminished product availability or a serious jump in premiums (or both) and it might possibly knock smaller producers out of business.
What may look at first glance like the buying field day of a lifetime might or might not work out to be that in reality.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Even with a 100 percent premium 10 dollars is still cheaper than paying 30+.
But really their margins shouldnt be affected. If you charge spot plus 4 for something no matter what spot is youre making 4 bucks. Yes the percentage of the premium would increase, but the product would still be much cheaper overall.
If a price move runs one of them out of business they were going to go under at some point anyway. Most of them were around during the 90s and early 2000s though so its no like it would be their first time operating like that
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It would not bother me at all to see sub $10 silver again. But I don't think that is going to happen any time soon. I think that precious metals will see some upward price swings in the coming weeks as fears of possible government seizures of portions of private savings accounts throughout the Eurozone after the Cyprus debacle we have seen recently, will increase demand for gold and silver. I am seeing where big bullion banks are reducing their exposure to precious metal short selling which indicates that they expect a run up in prices . This will also set up a squeeze on hedge funds, forcing them to cover their short orders in the the paper markets for precious metal, and bullion banks to try and protect their positions. I would not be surprised to see $35+ by the end of April. No professional analytics here, just how I am reading the signs.
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United States
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Quote: Yes it wouldn't be fun watching the value of what you had disappear, and if you have a large hoard bought at the higher prices it would be a heavy hit, but if you don't have 1000s of ounces what really is the downfall?
Even if you had a substantial amount (unless it was a retirement fund) wouldn't the future savings on purchases outweigh the losses anyway? Yeah, at this point it probably wouldn't be as fun for me as, say, it would have been a year ago. As I mentioned in another thread, I'm pretty much set at this point in terms of bulk buying. I wouldn't be wiped out financially if silver dropped down to $5, but I do have 1000s of ounces and it does make up a good chunk of my retirement fund. Plus, if silver really did crash all the way back down to $5, I think my faith in it as an investment vehicle would probably be irrevocably shaken. I watched silver sit at $4-5 for something like 30 years, and the only reason I started stacking was because I became convinced it would never get that low again. If it ever did, I'd be too afraid that it would sit there for another 30 years. Not that I'd sell the silver I currently own, mind you. I just wouldn't be in a hurry to buy much more....
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Interesting! I would like to see less expensive mint products.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Now, there's a whole different thought -- less expensive mint products... That opens up a whole different can of worms that would involve the profit motive of the private mints, present overpricing practices of both private and govt mints and I don't know what all else... There's probably enough shoe leather to chew on in that area for another couple threads (one for private mints and one for the govt ones) that'd be raging on for months on end.
When I look at some of those current plain, ordinary govt-issued silver bullion coins (1oz silver w/$61 premium and 5oz silver w/ $80/oz premium), all I see is a "because we can" attitude-driven price-gouging mentality. Limited mintage or not and recouping die-making costs or not, I think that's a crap attitude and practice for a govt mint. I think a govt mint should have a mission of breaking even and making coins for everybody -- not just the ultraselect few who can afford exorbitant prices.
But -- back to the subject at hand... I'd like to see silver bottom out around $23 before global banking system failures, mindlessly self-destructive govt fiat- printing madness, etc ad infinitum start it climbing back up again. I think that'd be a fair compromise bottom -- shopping spree time for everybody and not too bad of an investment erosion for those with major $ already invested in PMs.
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United States
200 Posts |
I would not be too disturbed to see silver falls to that level. I am convinced in the staying power of silver. It will come back up sooner or later and I would be able to buy much more silver at the lower levels. Although it would not be fun for someone who has lot of silver and needs to sell.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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A big crash in the prices of bullion metals generally will make gold coins more accessible to genuine coin collectors. However, I DON'T see a price crash coming. The U.S. national debt will see to that!
A price trend for silver down to $20? Perhaps likely, but not for long.
If you take the current monthly volatility out the price charts, bullion values are generally levelling out. That is due to the U.S. economy finally showing some signs of growing again, albeit rather hesitatingly. That being the case, there is prospect that job tenure may become a little more stable.
Edited by sel_69l 03/31/2013 01:08 am
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United States
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If it crashes, it will give me and others the opportunity to buy more! Plus, those coins that we been wishing to have.... ;)
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: Plus, if silver really did crash all the way back down to $5, I think my faith in it as an investment vehicle would probably be irrevocably shaken. I watched silver sit at $4-5 for something like 30 years, and the only reason I started stacking was because I became convinced it would never get that low again. If it ever did, I'd be too afraid that it would sit there for another 30 years.
You were actually one of the ones I had in my mind as the exception that would clearly not be too happy about it and if I were in your shoes I would feel the exact same way. I think a lot of people would back off it for those exact reasons you listed above, though previously the paper silver didnt exist and I wonder how that would affect how long it would stay there. But I do agree if it got there it wouldnt be a get rich scheme, though if you believe in its historical cycles someone in the family should be able to benefit at least. Personally I think the new floor is closer to 10 than 5 with the current uses it has though it wouldnt be the first time a new and better metal was found for industry. Quote: I think a govt mint should have a mission of breaking even and making coins for everybody -- not just the ultraselect few who can afford exorbitant prices. Well right now we need the mint pumping in every dollar they can to the feds. Their premiums have gotten a little stiffer which I'm not a fan of. But the bigger issue would be that even if they only wanted to break even with losses from pennies and nickels, or even a series that doesn't sell as well as it should they would still have to make money on popular series to make sure they didnt go into the red. Quote: A big price crash in the prices of bullion metals generally will make gold coins more accessible to genuine coin collectors. Very true, I havent bought any gold personally because of the price. It would also make some of those coins actual collectables again and not just bullion, though that stigma may stick with them for a while after a few years of their metal content carrying the most value.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I'm sitting with only 100 oz and 31 years of age. For me, it would be hard to watch $3500 turn into $1000 if spot only went down to $10/oz. But wanting to hold long term....I feel I should be OK by the time retirement came around in regards to spot. I would be OK with a slam down to $10-$15 and hold there for 10years while I add and wait for the next cycle to come around. Over the next 20-30 years, a lot of silver is going to disappear unless some great discovery or some new kind of technology can replace the 10,000 uses of silver. Not holding my breath.
Edited by samsnate 03/31/2013 12:17 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm kind of with samsnate on this one. I'm 38 and have about twice as much in silver but I've got a good 20 years to retirement. If we get below $20 and heading $10, my dollars will go further towards stacking. The only worry would be the drying up of supply or the raising of premiums if spot gets lower.
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