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1868 Gold Dollar; Fake Or Real?

 
 
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 Posted 10/04/2013  2:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add epikur to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi.
I'm having concerns about this gold dollar...
First, I don't like the fact that I can't make out LIBERTY on a coin of this grade. On all the coins I've researched, the LIBERTY is easily visible.

Secondly, the twp bottom flowers or petals or whatever they are, looks a bit off compared to other coins...

could a weak (invisible) LIBERTY be just a weak strike? Odd to have that on a soft metal such as gold though...

Here's a link to one of the coins I compared it with
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...0&lotNo=4256

What's your verdict?

thanks




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 Posted 10/04/2013  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was going to agree, but check PhotoGrade, they don't show even a trace of Liberty on their MS60 picture: http://www.PCGS.com/images/photogra...lar3-60o.jpg

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 Posted 10/04/2013  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks fake and is most likely not even gold.
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 Posted 10/04/2013  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add epikur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does show the L though....and the Liberty band seems to have a more consistent width to it than my coin..

also, when comparing it to the photograde coin, mine has a lack of hair detail that I wouldn't expect to see on a coin with little to no wear on the surfaces...

Thanks for your input
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 Posted 10/04/2013  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks fake. The letters/numerals and devices just don't look right at all. I'm not a gold dollar expert though.
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 Posted 10/04/2013  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with the others. The details have a fatty look to them.
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 Posted 10/04/2013  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think your concerns are valid, although I picked up on the eye and nose first.
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 Posted 10/05/2013  01:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a really large picture of a genuine coin: http://coins.ha.com/c/lot-image.zx?...0&id=8575702

The hair is wrong, the headress is wrong, but especially the genuine coin has a roman nose and your example has a cute little upturn.

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 Posted 10/05/2013  03:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I may have SOME gold in it; it could be a jewelry copy.
Check for diameter thickness and weight, check that info. against the specification for a genuine coin.
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 Posted 10/05/2013  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add epikur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for your input, confirmed my suspitions.
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 Posted 10/06/2013  02:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definite fake for a conclusive feature compare the first S in states on the subject coin and the Heritage coin and they are obviously different fonts. On the subject coin it is squat and broad, while on the Heritage coin it is tall and narrow. Liberty's eye is too prominent, the lettering on the reverse is not sharp with a rounded mushy appearance. There are other problems.
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 Posted 10/06/2013  04:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Conder101:
Interesting how our modus operandi vary in the ID of fakes.
I come from a mainly ancients background, where style can vary so much from coin to similar coin, because dies were hand cut.

On the 'other side of the coin', style is often the main determinant when no comparison with a similar coin is possible, when it comes to ancients.
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 Posted 10/06/2013  06:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ambro51 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1868 is a VERY commonly counterfeited date and this piece is not genuine. Sorry
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 Posted 10/06/2013  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a fake to me.
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