1802 8 Real

weight is 26.4g

I revised to Lima and found an example....sorry....

Weight sounds reasonable, but possibly a little heavy, and it might be lead. If you drop it on a tabletop does it ring (silver) or clunk (lead)? Compare it with another crown-sized silver coin and see if it sounds about the same.

To me .. drops like silver

what is the mint letters for lima?

would it have any value, over silver, in this condition?

Here is an excerpt from another forum post:

As Phil (Mossman) knows who in my opinion is the greatest numismatic writer today who is still among us and is second to none (IMO)--- I did ask him to review and help FINAL edit the book which he has been doing for over the last year - going into TWO years. To me it was the perfect FINAL MIX in this great book due to Phil's breadth of WORLD & U.S. CC knowledge let alone his intellect and incredible writing skills. There is no point in blasting how DIFFERENT this book will be when it hits the marketplace. For now I will try to answer your questions - The TOC is with Gurney and Mossman, I did meet with the President of the ANS and Dr. Hoge (since retired) and they gave it its immediate approval but at that time requested a TOC to initiate the project ASAP. This is still in the works? but this is all on Gurney/Mossman now to fulfill this ANS requests. Since the book describes over 1,000 plate coins and the typical pictures on book/paper plates would not work its been decided to issue TWO CD's to be inserted into the book. The ANS told me this would also keep the publishing costs down. Realize other than the Ringo Collection the only work into this book has been editing and proof-reading for the last one year+. I did go to the ANS and did cataloge their CC8R Collection but this part seems unlikely since NOW they do not have a seasoned curator and I do not have the time to re-teach the new curator as I did with Hoge over several multi-hour sit down sessions and tagging with GNL post-its their coins in their trays mostly from Stack donations.
Of course what Yahoo post would not be complete if I was ... how does one say it ... a bit abusive? Prior to meeting the ANS President - I looked through for the first time that MASS. Silver Book published by the ANS and reviewed the CC section. Making a long story short each specimen is basically identified with a (?) mark - specifically - this collector thinks this - that collector thinks that - a merry-go-around on their attribution as contemporary, maybe contemporary or modern. So I knew the President was primarily an ancient person and had maybe just the basics of what the ANS class as Modern Coinage - so I basically told him - this is a book written primarily by an individual who has spent his entire life in studying the counterfeits of Portraits and Cap and Rays. The breakdown and attributions in this CC book will not go in circles with no real definitive conclusions like this MASS Book CC section but the Historical Study, Material Analysis and other components in this book will set the standard for a CC attribution book for the next 100 years. He then said - I know Robert (Hoge) is VERY EXCITED with this project. The TWO CD's I was told will KEEP DOWN the cost of the book to around $100?. Gurney at FUN has already received over 100 offers already just for the draft and/or finished CDs. My work is done (Cataloging - initial and Material Analysis) ... this great work belongs with the ANS ... no other entity ... Ray.

Tonight when I get home I will give you the GNL#. These in my opinion are the most controversial and hot new contemporary counterfeits (ie., counterfeits that circulated with the real ones in the SAME time period). See my E-Bay listing for an example of a Sheffield. Yours is a valuable silver wash over brass or copper debased alloy host coin. VERY NICE!. I would INSTANTLY pay you a $100 for this fake. Yes $100 - so you know it worth around $200 <BG>.

John Lorenzo
United States

GR 58 - One request - in a clockwise fashion after REX on the reverse print out the letters in a reply to this thread for a confirmed GNL# attribution from our upcoming American Numsimatic Society book in late 2014/early 2015. This area is blurred in your pic.

JPL

Firstly... guys, you HAVE to be able to instantly recognize that as a (contemporary) counterfeit, for several obvious reasons... ESPECIALLY with all the discussion of such pieces on this forum.

Anyway, the FT assayer is faint but definitely visible... and rotating the pic and inverting color, you can see a clear mintmark "M" (Mexico, not the Lima monogram)... though it's uncertain whether that's just a plain "M" (as IS often seen on contemp cetfeits), or the more proper "Mo". If I had to say, I only see "M" without any "o".




John - Really, in this condition? Do you know this to be any particularly rare type? I mean, silvering over a copper-alloy core certainly isn't out of the ordinary for these as a category... and this piece is VERY heavily worn.

I will pick up low-grade CC 8R when I come across them at a low-grade 8R price - but I wouldn't pay anymore than maybe $40-50 for one with this much wear unless I knew it to be something special (and I don't know them well enough to know that off-hand). Maybe once your book comes out, I'll learn them better? It's definitely going to boost interest in the CC8R like Kleeberg and the work of people like yourself have for the 2R. Ir you write it, they will collect...